I was thinking the other day on the subject of presuppositional epistemology and was trying to figure out why it was that I dislike this epistemology when I realized that, if applied to any other philosophy or religion, it could be apologetic for that system. Example for debate: Russell is an atheist who holds to a presuppositional epistemology. His first principles are a) God does not exist b) No one can reason properly unless they assume, either explicitly or implicitly, that God does not exist c) all who believe that God exists are inconsistent with their presuppositions in their lives: if they really were consistent, they would know nothing. Can any of the presuppositionalists here see a way around this dilemma? My impression of a debate between such an atheist and a presuppositional Christian is that the two sides would argue inconclusively and end by talking past one another.