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Yep, after i posted i thought of Anabaptists and Quakers.
Never heard of "Enthusiasts"
Is there a 16th-18th Century word or phrase for "Charismatic"?
@Jacob,
By "Charismatic" I'm specifically referring to current "Reformed Charismatics" (Grudem, Piper, Driscoll, PDI/SGM Acts 29, etc.), some of whom refer to themselves as "Continuationists".
It's a pet peeve of mine that they, generally speaking, "hold" the Westminster Confession while also holding to Amyraldianism, congregationalism, credobaptism, and are charismatics!
So i was just wondering if there were "Continuationists" in the 16th - 18th Centuries. Then I remembered the Anabaptists.
@Jacob,
By "Charismatic" I'm specifically referring to current "Reformed Charismatics" (Grudem, Piper, Driscoll, PDI/SGM Acts 29, etc.), some of whom refer to themselves as "Continuationists".
It's a pet peeve of mine that they, generally speaking, "hold" the Westminster Confession while also holding to Amyraldianism, congregationalism, credobaptism, and are charismatics!
So i was just wondering if there were "Continuationists" in the 16th - 18th Centuries. Then I remembered the Anabaptists.
@Jacob,
By "Charismatic" I'm specifically referring to current "Reformed Charismatics" (Grudem, Piper, Driscoll, PDI/SGM Acts 29, etc.), some of whom refer to themselves as "Continuationists".
It's a pet peeve of mine that they, generally speaking, "hold" the Westminster Confession while also holding to Amyraldianism, congregationalism, credobaptism, and are charismatics!
So i was just wondering if there were "Continuationists" in the 16th - 18th Centuries. Then I remembered the Anabaptists.
John Owen used the term 'fanatics' to describe those who elevated experience over Scripture or claimed that the Spirit speaks apart from the word. This is closely related to the term 'enthusiasts.' My favorite word though is the one Luther used: 'schwarmerei,' which literally means those who swarm--quite descriptive, eh?
All of us must be charismatic in terms of giftedness. Unfortunately it has been used to characterize those of the continuity of spiritual gifts/divine revelation stuff.
All of us must be charismatic in terms of giftedness. Unfortunately it has been used to characterize those of the continuity of spiritual gifts/divine revelation stuff.
My RC (Reformed Charismatic) friends seemed surprised to find out that we Reformed Non-Charismatic believe in the operation of the Holy Spirit through the Preaching of the Word and Sacraments (or "Ordinances" for you American Baptists).
I was offended - as if we have no place for the third person of the Trinity
Many of the very same arguments made by the modern charismatic movement were first made by the 16th-century Anabaptists. Guy de Bres, the author of the Belgic Confession wrote an extensive response to them and dealt specifically with these questions. See RRC for more on this.
All of us must be charismatic in terms of giftedness. Unfortunately it has been used to characterize those of the continuity of spiritual gifts/divine revelation stuff.
My RC (Reformed Charismatic) friends seemed surprised to find out that we Reformed Non-Charismatic believe in the operation of the Holy Spirit through the Preaching of the Word and Sacraments (or "Ordinances" for you American Baptists).
I was offended - as if we have no place for the third person of the Trinity
Enthusiast was an epithet most often applied to early Methodists. Wesley and his group are also the group from which Pentecostalism and Holiness movements descended.
I'd put the Enthusiasts on the level with Charismatics, EXCEPT that there is no mention of exercises of Spiritual gifts.