Romans922
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Placing these links in the Cults and World Religions forum seems all too appropriate.
What is happening to our kids? I know a fella in the middle of this event, reared by dear friends of mine
I would suggest listening to this podcast which interviews Pastor Greg Johnson, who pastors the hosting church. Some of the things he says are very troubling. For example, at one point in this interview, he said he was "flabbergasted" that anyone would say that our fallen condition is itself sin. He is in direct opposition to WCF 6.5, which says, "This corruption of nature, during this life, doth remain in those that are regenerated; and although it be, through Christ, pardoned and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin."
...the sins that have resulted from the fruitsof "missional theology" gone to seed.
You might review these until Rich checks in:Mr. Rich,
If you wouldn't mind, I would like for you to unpack what you mean by this, because I have had many of the same concerns about the seminary I attended (in my signature), but I have really never been able to articulate them well.
I don't want to hide behind "it's complicated" because sometimes you can sense what's wrong without being able to tie everything together.Mr. Rich,
If you wouldn't mind, I would like for you to unpack what you mean by this, because I have had many of the same concerns about the seminary I attended (in my signature), but I have really never been able to articulate them well.
satan has been getting some real play on this issue of alternate to the Bible lifestyles among many denominations and churches past several years. This is what happens to a church or to a group when the supreme authority of the scriptures gets either ignored or watered down, in order to accommodate cultural concerns.General Session 1
General Session 2
General Session 3
I believe the adversary is playing hardball on this and many issues in the PCA. At least one person I know has "come out" because of last weekend's conference making statements -- affirming traditional marriage, vowing celibacy -- while making an identity statement as a believer and one who is attracted to other men.
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I’ve been at a really Solid PCA Church for about three for four months now. How should we who are new to the PCA respond to this? And, what do you guys foresee happening to the PCA in the near future? I know no one here is a prophet, but what do you all predict will happen next? I mean, when will enough be enough?
I have similar concerns and have been wondering the same. As a former southern baptist, I still do not know the "Ins and outs" of Presbyterian church government. I have shared my concerns with a couple of elders in my church (who are incredibly Godly men), but honestly they are very busy-and wanted to wait for the conference to take place before considering any measures.
As a student at Covenant, I can tell you that the student body is divided over Revoice. If I had to guess the faculty is probably divided over it as well. The organizers of Revoice did recruit many of our students to be volunteers.
Covenant is at an odd place at the moment, and I feel like I've got a pretty good perspective because I was not born and raised in the PCA, and did not know that the school existed until last year.
In my 2 semesters I've had some great classes that were both highly reformed and theologically rigorous (Christian Ethics, Reformation & Modern Church history, Greek 1&2) but I've also had a few duds...one of which was a critical race theory class masquerading as a missions course. And an apologetics course that did not teach apologetics, but rather was largely an appeal to discover God in every person and conversation (which is not untrue, but not what I was expecting).
Honestly my school just feels vulnerable. Communication at covenant is terrible. Between departments, staff and the student body. Information is hard to come by and sometimes mishandled. There also seems to be little accountability for the profs and staff alike. Assignments and papers can go ungraded until the semester is over. Chapel is a mixed bad and poorly attended.
Perhaps my biggest complaint; and I promise I am enjoying my Covenant experience overall, is that the seminary does not seem to have any sort of direction. If we have a mission statement I don't know it. If there is a plan for the future the student body doesnt know it. Enrollment is down and there are rumors that the school is tanking financially, but nobody knows if that's concrete or not. There just seems to be very little passion, direction or even purpose...its kind of sad.
I say all that to say this: the theology of Revoice (which is incredibly deceitful) is only aided by the silence (which is all too common) coming from Covenant- which categorically denies being involved with the conference, and yet a prominent professor, a long with many students and alumni were involved. Many of my friends don't know what to believe or how to respond. Mark Yarhouse, a prominent Christian psychologist, is adored by the counseling department on campus, and his philosophy undergirds much of what was taught at Revoice. I do wonder if that is the reason why Covenant has not responded.
Again, I hope I'm not coming off as overly-critical. I have enjoyed CTS as a whole, and my prayer is that my school moves forward and continues to equip pastors for the ministry. So far I feel adequately equipped, but I do worry for Covenants future.
(Also, the opinions expressed here are not solely my own. I've been in conversation with several students who feel the same.)