Sonoftheday
Puritan Board Sophomore
So I attended the evening service at the local baptist church tonight because they were supposed to teaching on Romans 9. It turned out however that the teacher was instead discussing the covenants and had a dispensational timeline drawn on the chalk board. Tonight the discussion was on the Tower of Babel I am unsure as to why that was one of the spotlights for discussing the covenants much less Romans chapter 9 but I digress. I mentioned to the teacher that I thought the class was over Romans chapter 9 and he said well yeah they've been going through the book of Romans and now Paul is making a parenthetical in his letter and discussing the covenants so the teacher wanted to lay some ground work first. As if the dispensational timeline didnt already have the sirens going off in my head I am almost certain that this guy is going to be making an argument for the interpretation of Romans 9 much like the one found here.
http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/286
This is the summary of the teaching for those who haven't the time or interest to read the whole thing.
So it will be a few weeks before the guy gets back to Romans and I'm considering going to the class to add to the discussion of the text. The class has a lot of discussion. I have a friend who is a member there that is a Calvinist so I am going to make sure he goes that day as well so I a somewhat outsider (not really since I was raised there but kinda since I left) am the only one making the case for the historic reading of the text.
Anyways all that to ask this. How would you loving confront this teaching of the text. I say lovingly because the setting will be a class discussion and I an "outsider", and this isnt taking place on the internet where we can just blast their interpretation.
http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/286
This is the summary of the teaching for those who haven't the time or interest to read the whole thing.
The present interpretation that I have given recognizes the significant paradigm shift that takes place in the first century with regard to the identity of the people of God. It contrasts with the traditional one chiefly in terms of keeping the dominant issues of the Jews and of salvation by faith in mind throughout.
* It begins, as before, with Paul agonizing over the failure of Israel to come to faith in Christ (vv. 1-5).
* He has to confront the Jewish objection that, if his gospel were correct, it would mean that God’s promises to the Jews had failed. His response is that God’s promises have not failed, but others are inheriting the promises, because not all of Israel is Israel: i.e., not all of Israel has followed Abraham in faith (v. 6).
* Ethnic descent from Abraham is not enough to be considered “Abraham’s children,” as the examples of Ishmael and Esau demonstrate; Israel has already been granted unmerited blessings as compared with other descendants of Abraham (vv. 7-13).
* Therefore God is not unjust if he now excludes those descendants of Jacob who do not come to faith, because anyone he blesses, even Moses, is a recipient of his mercy (vv. 14-16). God may choose to spare for a time even someone like Pharaoh, whom God has chosen to harden—knowing that he will harden himself in response to God’s challenge—in order for God to glorify himself through that person, who can be viewed as both an example of God’s mercy and hardening (vv. 17-18).
* The implication is therefore that the Jews have been given mercy in the past but are not guaranteed mercy in the future if they do not come to faith in Christ. The hypothetical questioner asks why God still blames the Jews, if He has hardened them (v. 19), refusing to recognize that the Jews are hardened just as Pharaoh was hardened, by their own stubborn refusal to repent. Paul therefore rebukes them, and uses the potter-clay illustration to point out that God has always dealt with Israel on the basis of its repentance, and it is only those who refuse to repent who argue back to God that he made them as they are (vv. 20-21).
* Paul then points out that God has to bear patiently the “objects of his wrath”—the unbelieving—in order to make his glory known to the “objects of his mercy”—those who come to faith, which he specifically identifies as having come not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles (vv. 22-24). The supporting quotations from Hosea and Isaiah make clear the point: that many of those whom the Jews had considered excluded from the covenant (the Gentiles) would in the end be included, while many whom the Jews had considered included in the covenant (themselves) would be excluded (vv. 25-29).
* The basis upon which Gentiles have been included and Jews excluded is made explicit in vv. 30-33: it is that the Gentiles are obtaining righteousness through faith, while the Jews have pursued it by works.
So it will be a few weeks before the guy gets back to Romans and I'm considering going to the class to add to the discussion of the text. The class has a lot of discussion. I have a friend who is a member there that is a Calvinist so I am going to make sure he goes that day as well so I a somewhat outsider (not really since I was raised there but kinda since I left) am the only one making the case for the historic reading of the text.
Anyways all that to ask this. How would you loving confront this teaching of the text. I say lovingly because the setting will be a class discussion and I an "outsider", and this isnt taking place on the internet where we can just blast their interpretation.