RPW "in worship" vs "as worship"

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NaphtaliPress

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I guess one thing I would mention is whatever your conviction is, finding a church that is Psalm only and no instruments in some places is going to be borderline impossible. I don't think there is one in my state. PCA and OPC churches don't hold to that for the most part and they also celebrate Christmas and Easter. I see many of your defending the RPW and the conditions I mention above, go to PCA or OPC church. My question is what do you do in your worship services when they do hymns and play instruments? Do you not participate? Or, do you actually attend one that holds to the principle fully as you explain?
This is true, and if you don't hold to EP, it is almost as impossible on the holy day question, though you'll find hymn singing churches that don't observe them and you will find EP churches that do. I go to a PCA, don't sing the hymns or do the unison readings. When I transferred 15 years ago I discussed it with the session and they were okay with that. But we sing probably 70/30 psalms/hymns having long been a psalms priority congregation, to the extent we produced our own psalter to use. You'll find some churches not okay with members who don't participate in some aspects of their services, who will immediately or someday in indirect or more direct fashion, show you the exit door.
 

Ben Zartman

Puritan Board Sophomore
:ditto: Neil above has answered well.
Your analogy was that the special clothes of the OT priests were equivalent to everyday clothing of common man. That's where I said the analogy didn't hold up. The priestly garments would fall into the same category as the instruments - done away with under the new covenant/dispensation where Christ Himself has fulfilled all types, shadows, and all things related specifically to ceremonial/temple worship and therefore they are unnecessary.
If you believe things like priestly garments and musical instruments are still needed then why do you no longer sacrifice animals upon the altar in worship today? I'm not attempting to be snarky or contentious with you, brother. I am genuinely hoping you will recognize the place of instruments in worship - not necessary and not commanded in modern corporate worship and therefore forbidden based on the regulative principle of worship.
Again, let us interact with the video clip I shared - what specifically in the clip do you disagree with and why? I would caution you to not fall into the trap of making reasoning for beliefs that you hold to by tradition or that your church holds to by tradition. For years, I didn't want to study or fully embrace a capella exclusive Psalm singing because my local church didn't practice such. I was only doing myself a disservice, not to mention rebelling against God, by refusing to humble myself to Him and His word. Once I fully studied the subject matter and removed my own personal bias from the topic and the Scriptures, the Lord pleased to direct me and convince me of a capella exclusive Psalmody. Blessings to you as you seek to know God and honor Him more in your life.
I do not believe that priestly garments nor instruments are still needed--why would you fetch in straw men like that? For what it's worth, I could gladly sing without instruments if we could all keep in tune without. Instruments aren't a necessary part of NT worship, but they are a circumstance which aids the congregation can sing together decently and in order.
I gladly grant that the instrumental portion of OT worship is abrogated--but that's not at issue here.
Again, the same principle you claim that forbids any instrument as a circumstance, carried to it's logical conclusion, would bar the wearing of clothes. Of course it's ridiculous to suggest forbidding clothes.
You see my point.
 

Andres

Puritan Board Doctor
I do not believe that priestly garments nor instruments are still needed--why would you fetch in straw men like that? For what it's worth, I could gladly sing without instruments if we could all keep in tune without. Instruments aren't a necessary part of NT worship, but they are a circumstance which aids the congregation can sing together decently and in order.
I gladly grant that the instrumental portion of OT worship is abrogated--but that's not at issue here.
Again, the same principle you claim that forbids any instrument as a circumstance, carried to it's logical conclusion, would bar the wearing of clothes. Of course it's ridiculous to suggest forbidding clothes.
You see my point.
I do not in fact see your point. Grace and peace.
 
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