Gforce9
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Particular Baptist held to the confession, which JM certainly rejects. Definitions are important....
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Particular Baptist held to the confession, which JM certainly rejects. Definitions are important....
So Particular Baptists would be reformed ones, and Calvinist Baptists would be those like Dr Mac?
Particular Baptists hold to the covenant theology of the 1644/1646 Baptist confession and the 1689 Baptist confession. MacArthur does not. It is very misleading to call MacArthur a Particular Baptist.
JM
Puritan Board Doctor
He's not Reformed and doesn't pretend to be. Same with Piper.
I know someone who sees himself as being a Particular Baptist, who does not hold to Confessions, but does hold with the Canon of Dort.
JM
Puritan Board Doctor
That's right. Some have redefined the term and apply it to the other JM and Piper. Reformed usually refers to someone who is confessional (covenant theology, Calvinistic soteriology and regulative principle of worship).
Gforce9
Puritan Board Junior
The term "Reformed" has become a little too loose in my estimation. Though debatable these days, I don't use the term "Reformed" when referencing my confessional, Baptist brothers and, certainly not for anti-covenantal, anti-confessional folk. It is certainly not because I don't respect them or because I think I'm the only right guy on the planet. Rather, the term "Reformed" has historical meaning that was exclusively paedobaptist. I believe meanings are important. I would never call my confessional Baptist brothers "Methodists" for the very same reason and would be bothered if they called me Roman Catholic for my paedobaptist theology.
Further, as has been discussed and had general agreement, the bare minimum for those who use the term "Reformed" would be 1- Calvinistic, 2- confessional, and covenantal. Johnny Mac only passes one one these criteria.
I'm not going to "make" anyone change their language, but I won't participate in its usage.
There seems to be broadly the 3 main kinds of Baptists:The term "Reformed" has become a little too loose in my estimation. Though debatable these days, I don't use the term "Reformed" when referencing my confessional, Baptist brothers and, certainly not for anti-covenantal, anti-confessional folk. It is certainly not because I don't respect them or because I think I'm the only right guy on the planet. Rather, the term "Reformed" has historical meaning that was exclusively paedobaptist. I believe meanings are important. I would never call my confessional Baptist brothers "Methodists" for the very same reason and would be bothered if they called me Roman Catholic for my paedobaptist theology.
Further, as has been discussed and had general agreement, the bare minimum for those who use the term "Reformed" would be 1- Calvinistic, 2- confessional, and covenantal. Johnny Mac only passes one one these criteria.
I'm not going to "make" anyone change their language, but I won't participate in its usage.
Reformed Holding to CT/Confessions of faith
Calvinistic Hold to mainly TULIP, sometimes hold to partial CT/Confession
Dispensational Calvinist baptist Maybe the most common example, as one holding to TULIP and Dispensational at same time
GulfCoast Presbyterian
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I would posit the most common kind of Baptist (I was raised one) would be Arminian/Free Will/Dispensationalist.
I would agree with you on that , but was just addressing those Baptists like myself who would no longer view ourselves as being either Dispensational or free will Baptists.
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