ForHisGlory
Puritan Board Freshman
I've been struggling with whether I should leave my church, but I'm not sure if my reasons are primarily preferential or on the grounds of biblical errancy warranting a leave.
I found an awesome reformed church in our city.......great theology.....biblical leadership/structure......biblical worship......etc, etc. This has greatly inticed me considering some questionable practices we have at our current church. However, I know that all churches are not perfect (and my presence would make a perfect church imperfect), so I don't want any possible "preferential" desires to uproot our fellowship and loyalty to our current church family.
The issues that are most prominent:
1. I feel like our church has quasi-reformed theology. I know this sounds like an impossibility among PBers. You're either a 5 point Calvinist or a 0 point Calvinist, right? But both of our pastors would consider themselves 3-point Calvinists and tend to rest in the fact that God is sovereign and man is free. They tend to avoid the controversy of "Calvinism" vs. "Arminian" by not overtly using terms such as "election", "predestination", "free will", etc. So I can't say that I think their teaching is unbiblical, they just don't state with obvious clarity how the two mesh. Maybe this is because we have a large church and they are afraid that the issue would cause too much division with new/early Christians vs. more mature Christians....that I'm not sure. So, overall I couldn't say the preaching is unbiblical, they just tend to come up short in full explanations of election. (Note: Not an expositional church. Tend to spend a month or two in one book, but then move to a different "series"; also rare but special occasions overshadow worship....i.e. on July 4th I don't go because we spend time singing national songs and honoring soldiers....confetti and everything....this is probably the most embrassing Sunday of the year.)
2. We don't have elders. Like many Baptist churches, we have "deacons".....who perform duties of both elders and deacons. But the church is predominately pastor led.
3. Worship sometimes can be "me" focused. It is full band led.....often can't hear anybody but the band.....and many words such as "I love you"...."I" this...."I" that.....internal reflection is a major aspect......overshadowing Christly reflection.
4. Segragated.....not racially.....but age wise. Since our church is so large, I often find that members congregate to their "Sunday School" classes which are appropriately age ranged (youth groups, senior classes, childrens classes, singles classes, married w/ kids, married w/o kids, etc.)......almost like mini churches within the church. I understand that their are a lot of challenges with large churches....and that fellowship within large churches can be difficult, but is this really the biblical answer? My intimate fellowship and discipleship usually consists of people that are all my own age, with exception to our teacher, who is older. Is this really what God wanted when he said "the older shall teach the younger"?
However, to be quite fair, the church has a lot of great reasons for being there as well. Other than my qualms with not using clear teaching on God's election and predestination, I find the preaching very biblical. I find it challenging, Christ focused, revealing man's sin, and informative. The sacraments are honored and done properly. Church discipline is suprisingly done well.....considering how large the church is. They are are a mission minded church as well.....both locally and abroad.
Well I know that was long winded for an OP, but I wanted to lay out all the facts. The Lord has graciously used us at this church in amazing ways, which makes all the labor we've put in hard to abandon. But I can't help but think of these above issues and whether it would be more biblical for me to leave or to stay in order to continue discipling and leading those we've formed relationships with currently. I appreciate any of your comments, feedback, and prayers in this matter.
I found an awesome reformed church in our city.......great theology.....biblical leadership/structure......biblical worship......etc, etc. This has greatly inticed me considering some questionable practices we have at our current church. However, I know that all churches are not perfect (and my presence would make a perfect church imperfect), so I don't want any possible "preferential" desires to uproot our fellowship and loyalty to our current church family.
The issues that are most prominent:
1. I feel like our church has quasi-reformed theology. I know this sounds like an impossibility among PBers. You're either a 5 point Calvinist or a 0 point Calvinist, right? But both of our pastors would consider themselves 3-point Calvinists and tend to rest in the fact that God is sovereign and man is free. They tend to avoid the controversy of "Calvinism" vs. "Arminian" by not overtly using terms such as "election", "predestination", "free will", etc. So I can't say that I think their teaching is unbiblical, they just don't state with obvious clarity how the two mesh. Maybe this is because we have a large church and they are afraid that the issue would cause too much division with new/early Christians vs. more mature Christians....that I'm not sure. So, overall I couldn't say the preaching is unbiblical, they just tend to come up short in full explanations of election. (Note: Not an expositional church. Tend to spend a month or two in one book, but then move to a different "series"; also rare but special occasions overshadow worship....i.e. on July 4th I don't go because we spend time singing national songs and honoring soldiers....confetti and everything....this is probably the most embrassing Sunday of the year.)
2. We don't have elders. Like many Baptist churches, we have "deacons".....who perform duties of both elders and deacons. But the church is predominately pastor led.
3. Worship sometimes can be "me" focused. It is full band led.....often can't hear anybody but the band.....and many words such as "I love you"...."I" this...."I" that.....internal reflection is a major aspect......overshadowing Christly reflection.
4. Segragated.....not racially.....but age wise. Since our church is so large, I often find that members congregate to their "Sunday School" classes which are appropriately age ranged (youth groups, senior classes, childrens classes, singles classes, married w/ kids, married w/o kids, etc.)......almost like mini churches within the church. I understand that their are a lot of challenges with large churches....and that fellowship within large churches can be difficult, but is this really the biblical answer? My intimate fellowship and discipleship usually consists of people that are all my own age, with exception to our teacher, who is older. Is this really what God wanted when he said "the older shall teach the younger"?
However, to be quite fair, the church has a lot of great reasons for being there as well. Other than my qualms with not using clear teaching on God's election and predestination, I find the preaching very biblical. I find it challenging, Christ focused, revealing man's sin, and informative. The sacraments are honored and done properly. Church discipline is suprisingly done well.....considering how large the church is. They are are a mission minded church as well.....both locally and abroad.
Well I know that was long winded for an OP, but I wanted to lay out all the facts. The Lord has graciously used us at this church in amazing ways, which makes all the labor we've put in hard to abandon. But I can't help but think of these above issues and whether it would be more biblical for me to leave or to stay in order to continue discipling and leading those we've formed relationships with currently. I appreciate any of your comments, feedback, and prayers in this matter.