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As far as I'm concerned, there is no question of seeking church rulings, or pushing for ecclesiastical discipline, or condemning a chord or a beat or a style as intrinsically, physically sinful. But it is my understanding that individual Christian prudence is going to have to use generalizations on frequent occasions, and Josh's post seemed to rule out all generalizations. Hence my interest.
If I understand some of you guys right, it's affecting me in a negative way and I just don't realize it?
The point of this thread is misleading from the title. Inhearntly evil and sinful were not what got this going. That types of music and beats cause altered states of conscience is what got people going.
Isn't music that causes altered states of conscienceness evil and sinful?
This is certainly true on an individual level. However, it becomes a problem when it is pushed upon all Christians without exception. Why? Because Scripture nowhere substantiates such an inherent evil with a particular musical note, beat, or arrangement (again, divorced from lyrical content, sinful nostalgia, etc.). There are certainly folks who should stay away from certain types of music. But they may not push that on all others without exception.Christians should be cautious as to the beat of the music and the way it effects thier mood whether or not the lyrics are explicitly sinful.
Just as many folks should steer clear of alcohol consumption, but shouldn't push it on others.
"When there's trouble you call DW"
That is a musical beat that will forever effect me causing me to have an altered state of consciousness, one that is reflective of my youth.
I heard this in a calvinistic baptist church in the south:
The black africans used tribal beats for their pagan worship. When they became slaves they brought their pagan music over. Rock and roll was nothing more than whites taking up black music and popularizing it for the general population - i.e. the general culture adopting elements of low culture, and ever since our society has been indecline - which is what happens when we adopt traits of cultures that are less refined.
No lie.
Is anyone advocating that here?
Also, what is wrong with music affecting our moods? Techno is very good to run to. We can put music under human use.
In the M river valley, guitars in church are welcome but not flutes, which are associated with pagan worship. In fact, if someone stubs their toe, they shout "bamboo flute" - i.e. taking the name of their flute in vain. Therefore, if the local church tried to introduce worship music with a drum...no problem....but the flute...... they would be severely opposed - because after all it is obvious that flute music is the devil's music!
Okay, that's good....
But the "classical' composers too have syncopated rythms and accented back beats on occasion too.
How does your argument have any shred of objectivity rather than merely asserting the opinion "This sounds holy...this does not sound holy..."