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I need to say Im pretty disturbed by this kind of open attack. All sin is worthy of death, and so T Haggard, and every single person thats every posted on the puritan board are worthy of death. There is no hope outside of the grace that brings peace with God.
Sure saying hell - doesn't make you cool. Sure this shows that denominations and networks with stronger accountability are incredibly important. But I do not think that it is appropriate to post in this regard.
I'm going to request that this thread be take down.
St. James website said:I may not be qualified to be a pastor, but I know I am qualified to serve others in need. Ted Haggard
I need to say Im pretty disturbed by this kind of open attack. All sin is worthy of death, and so T Haggard, and every single person thats every posted on the puritan board are worthy of death. There is no hope outside of the grace that brings peace with God.
Sure saying hell - doesn't make you cool. Sure this shows that denominations and networks with stronger accountability are incredibly important. But I do not think that it is appropriate to post in this regard.
I'm going to request that this thread be take down.
Just a quote from J. I. Packer that will be relevant for generations.
Leadership
What do we Christians chiefly value in our leaders, our preachers, teachers, pastors, writers, televangelists, top people in parachurch ministries, money-men who bankroll churches and other Christian enterprises, and other folk with key roles in our set-up? The answer seems to be not their holiness, but their gifts and skills and resources. The number of North American leaders (and other Christians too) who in recent years have been found guilty of sexual and financial shenanigans, and who when challenged have declined to see themselves as accountable to any part of the body of Christ, is startling. Much more startling is the way in which, after public exposure and some few slaps on the wrist, they are soon able to resume their ministry and carry on as if nothing had happened, commanding apparently as much support as before. To protest that Christians believe in the forgiveness of sins and the restoration of sinners is beside the point. What I am saying is that the speed of their reinstatement shows that we value them more for their proven gifts than for their proven sanctity, since the thought that only holy people are likely to be spiritually useful does not loom large in our minds.
More than a century and a half ago, the Scottish parish minister and revival preacher Robert Murray M'Cheyne declared: “My people’s greatest need is my personal holiness.” It seems clear that neither modern clergy nor their modern flocks would agree with M'Cheyne’s assessment. In the past when your church has appointed a calling committee to hunt for the next pastor, I am sure that a very adequate profile of required gifts has been drawn up, but how much emphasis has been laid on the crucial need to find a holy man? Shall I guess?
Rediscovering Holiness pp. 33,34
Only having minimal information about this situation, and it may be subjective, one observation would be,
There is usually no quick, easy way back for one who was a Christian leader who has fallen in scandalous public sin. While God can do anything, putting someone right back in their public platform as leader in Christ's Church just doesn't happen quickly or easily (sometimes not at all). Sin is expensive.
To whom much is given, much is required- the consequences and aggravation are much greater in God's economy.
It's also odd for someone professing Christ, being a visible leader in Christ's body, to make appeal for restoration to nonbelievers, and to demand restoration from believers. Especially for one presumed qualified to teach and lead God's people.