The Anti Christ and Islam

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johnnycanuck

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I recently watched John MacArthur's video: Islam and the Antichrist where summed up he states that their AntiChrist is our Christ and vice versa. Any thoughts?
 
This has always interested me as well. The Dajjal and Mahdi in Islam seem perfectly to fit (in mirror-image) what many Christians have believed concerning the coming Anti-Christ.

Maybe Islam's Enlightened One, the coming Mahdi, is really our Anti-Christ. I have long thought AntiChrist must come from within Christendom, but then I read several Church Fathers who seemed to count Islam as a Christian cult (like a branch of the Ebionites).

Some of the signs of his appearance:
  • River Euphrates will dry up.
  • A mount of gold will appear in the River Euphrates.
  • Bloodshed in Mina during Hajj.
  • There will be a difference of opinion, regarding the successor of a deceased Muslim leader.
  • There will be a lunar eclipse twice and a solar eclipse once in Ramadan.
What is the role of Haris and Mansoor?
  • They will be two of his right-hand men.
  • They will do Jihad with him.
  • Haris – financier (will work in agriculture, raise funds and do Infaaq).
  • Mansoor – military analyst and commander-in-chief of his army.
Some of these signs seem to mirror a Dispensational account of the Book of Revelation.
 
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I recently watched John MacArthur's video: Islam and the Antichrist where summed up he states that their AntiChrist is our Christ and vice versa. Any thoughts?

I don't think that is true. Islam thinks of Jesus as a great prophet. They're wrong, of course, but that also means they wouldn't be thinking of him, formally at least, as Antichrist.
 
Jesus per them also will kill off the Jews and Christian's at His return.

Perhaps according to some fundamentalist interpretations of the Koran. Most Islamic summaries I've seen say that upon Jesus' return he will show himself true to Islam, which will then cause all
"people of the Book" (Christians, Jews, and Muslims) to remain or become true Muslims. It is then said that during a subsequent earthly reign of forty years Jesus will destroy a resurgent Gog and Magog, seemingly a nebulous reference to any anti-Islamic forces.
 
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Perhaps according to some fundamentalist interpretations of the Koran. Most Islamic summaries I've seen say that upon Jesus' return he will show himself true to Islam, which will then cause all
"people of the Book" (Christians, Jews, and Muslims) to remain or become true Muslims. It is then said that during a subsequent earthly reign of forty years Jesus will destroy a resurgent Gog and Magog, seemingly a nebulous reference to any anti-Islamic forces.
The Isis types, as well as those in Iran seem to be following what Muhammed really taught though, and they would use nuke on us or Israel to try to force their second coming views to happen.
 
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Yes, ISIS and recent Iranian regimes are definitely Islamic fundamentalists. Which faction is rightly interpreting the Koran is of course an intermural debate among them.
 
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Yes, ISIS and recent Iranian regimes are definitely Islamic fundamentalists. Which faction is rightly interpreting the Koran is of course an intermural debate among them.
Many would see them as being closest to what Muhhamed really taught.
 
On a side note: For any study of Islam, I would recommend Sam Shamoun. It seems like he knows Islam like the back of his hand. His claim was that after decades of study that ISIS was the true representation of the primary sources of Islam. How true that is though, you will have to find out for yourself.
 
We defame the one true God when we get drawn into comparisons. There are no real correlations. God is eternally true; allah is capricious. Truth in the Bible is consistently given across many prophets and centuries. The koran is the vision of one man and shifts across a few decades. The closest we come to hadith (the source of many of the difference within islam) might be the rabbinic writings and oral traditions. These are just not in the same category. It's like asking what brand of aluminium foil is best to make a gold ring?

I agree it's helpful to know enough to engage, but comparisons give up too much.
 
I have seen some of the different interpretations of the Koran within Islam compared to differing interpretations of the Bible among Christians. For example, the expression "eat my flesh and drink my blood" (John 6:56) is assigned different degrees of literality between Catholics and Protestants. Likewise, it is said, different sects of Muslims will assign various degrees of literality to passages in the Koran that speak of eradicating Christians and Jews. Which is closer to Mohamed's original intent is of course the question. Some say his literal jihad against 8th century Christians and Jews proves he meant it very literally. Others point out that in most cases Mohamed gave Christians and Jews in the lands he conquered the opportunity to pay a religious tax, called the jizyah, upon which they were allowed to continue practicing their faiths. Personally, while I'm somewhat interested in knowing which is most likely, ultimately it doesn't really matter. Anyway you cut it, Islam is a blasphemous false religion.
 
I have seen some of the different interpretations of the Koran within Islam compared to differing interpretations of the Bible among Christians. For example, the expression "eat my flesh and drink my blood" (John 6:56) is assigned different degrees of literality between Catholics and Protestants. Likewise, it is said, different sects of Muslims will assign various degrees of literality to passages in the Koran that speak of eradicating Christians and Jews. Which is closer to Mohamed's original intent is of course the question. Some say his literal jihad against 8th century Christians and Jews proves he meant it very literally. Others point out that in most cases Mohamed gave Christians and Jews in the lands he conquered the opportunity to pay a religious tax, called the jizyah, upon which they were allowed to continue practicing their faiths. Personally, while I'm somewhat interested in knowing which is most likely, ultimately it doesn't really matter. Anyway you cut it, Islam is a blasphemous false religion.
Islam has the Law if Abrogation for Koran, as the later sayings of their prophet supersede earlier ones.So his friendly view towards people of the book, Jews and Christian's, turned to Jihad then.
 
Islam has the Law if Abrogation for Koran, as the later sayings of their prophet supersede earlier ones

Even this principle is viewed and applied differently across Islam. The simple fact is Islam is no more monolithic in all of its beliefs than is universal Christianity.
 
Even this principle is viewed and applied differently across Islam. The simple fact is Islam is no more monolithic in all of its beliefs than is universal Christianity.
Think that the majority though in Muslim would uphold that view of the later sayings trumping the early ones, as Allah was changing His mind at times.
 
"In a prophecy attributed to Muhammad, the Prophet predicts the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome at al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. Another prophecy holds that Rome’s allies will number 80. The Muslims will then proceed to conquer Constantinople..."

If ISIS' strategy didn't make since, they were trying to spark the Final Showdown. These groups are very eschatological (probably scatological, too). I even think the ISIS magazine (yes, they had a magazine) is called Dabiq.

Here are the signs of the appearance of the Mahdi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signs_of_the_reappearance_of_Muhammad_al-Mahdi

The Dajjal is blind in his right eye, so that might help us identify him when he comes.

https://ghayb.com/2015/12/when-will-we-see-imam-mahdi-ra-and-isa-as/

"The Prophet (saws) said, “Whilst I was asleep, I saw myself (in a dream) making Tawaf around the Ka’bah. I saw a brown-skinned man, with straight hair, being supported by two men, and with water dripping from his head. I said, ‘Who is this?’ They said, ‘The son of Mary’. I turned around and saw a fat, ruddy man, with curly hair, who was blind in his right eye; his eye looked like a floating grape. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ They said, ‘The Dajjal’ The one who most resembles him is Ibn Qatan.” Al-Zuhri explained: Ibn Qatan was a man from Khuza’ah who died during the Jahiliyyah (before the coming of Islam). (Bukhari)

Imam Ibn Kathir said: “After the lesser signs of the Hour appear and increase, mankind will have reached a stage of great suffering. Then the awaited Mahdi will appear; he is the first of the greater, and clear, signs of the Hour. There will be no doubt about his existence, but this will only be clear to the knowledgeable people. The Mahdi will rule until the False Messiah (al-Masih al-Dajjal) appears who will spread oppression and corruption. The only ones who will know him well and avoid his evil will be those who have great knowledge and Iman (faith).

The false Messiah will remain for a while, destroying mankind completely, and the earth will witness the greatest Fitnah (tribulation) in its history. Then the Messiah Isa (a.s) will descend, bringing justice from heaven. He will kill the Dajjal (The Curse Of Allah Upon Him), and there will be years of safety and security.”

Ibn Kathir said: The black flags that will come with Al-Mahd...

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu’minin: The Prophet (saws) said: Disagreement will occur at the death of a caliph and a man of the people of Medina will come flying forth to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Medina. When the people see that, the eminent saints (abdal) of Syria and the best people of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. Then there will arise a man of Quraysh whose maternal uncles belong to Kalb (the ruling class of syria) and (he will) send against them an expeditionary force which will be overcome by them, and that is the expedition of Kalb. Disappointed will be the one who does not receive the booty of Kalb. He will divide the property, and will govern the people by the Sunnah of their Prophet (saws) and establish Islam on Earth. He will remain seven years, then die, and the Muslims will pray over him. (Abu Dawud said: Some transmitted from Hisham “nine years” and some “seven years”. ( Book 38, Hadith 8))"

So Islam has many "Dispensational" properties in reverse.
 
Signs of the Last Hour
The following information is a summary of a lecture given by a scholar of Riverside, Gharm-Allah El-Ghamdy, around the fall of 1991. Editor's notes are in brackets []. It is hard to tell whether certain of these events have already occurred, or when they will precisely occur. Allah knows best.

Though Allah only knows when the Last Hour before the Day of Resurrection will come, He has given us 'clues' about its approach through information in the Qur'an and the hadith of the Prophet. The signs can be separated into two categories: minor and major. This article does not cover all the signs, but most of the important ones are here. All these signs are, of course, based on hadith and/or Qur'an, mainly the former.

Minor Signs (in no particular order)
  1. "The coming of the Last Prophet, Muhammad ibn Abd-Allah (SAW)." [This has already happened, of course.]
  2. "The slave will become the master."
  3. "Shepherds will compete in the construction of tall buildings." [The modern ex-nomads of Saudi Arabia are an excellent example of this.]
  4. "Knowledge of Islam will be taken away while ignorance will increase. This removal of knowledge will be because old scholars will die and fewer and fewer new scholars will replace them. The leaders of the Muslims will be chosen from ignorant people, and they will rule according to their whims." [Today, studying Islam formally is considered to be an inferior career in most of the Muslim world. The leaders of the Muslim world are more known for their political or military prowess (oppressive ability?) than Islamic knowledge.]
  5. "Drinking and fornication will increase heavily."
  6. "The population of men will decrease, and women increase till fifty women shall be for every man."
  7. "Thirty people will claim to be prophets, followed by Al-Dajjal (the anti-Christ roughly)."
  8. "There will be such an abundance of wealth that people will not be able to find recipients for zakat."
  9. "Killing will increase."
  10. "Time will be shortened so that a year will be like a month, a month like a day, a day like an hour." [This perception of the seemingly dwindling amount of time is very apparent, especially in First World countries.]
  11. "Two great countries will fight and kill each other, both claiming the same thing."
  12. "Earthquakes will increase in number." [Welcome to California. :-]
  13. "A person will pass by the grave, and wish to trade places out of despair."
Major Signs (in rough chronological order)
  1. "Al-Dajjal will come, claiming to be God holding Heaven and Hell. His purpose is to deceive, and unbelievers will follow him. He is short, red-faced, blind in the right eye, and has hair which sticks up. He will go around the world, but will be unable to enter Madinah or Makkah." [There are numerous detailed ahadith on this man.]
  2. "Al-Mahdi will come at the time of Al-Dajjal. He will call to the true Islam, and will be a military leader. His name will be exactly like that of the Prophet: Muhammad ibn Abd-Allah, and his father's name will match the Prophet's father's name also. He will be descended from Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet."
  3. "Isa (Jesus) will come at the time of Al-Dajjal and al-Mahdi as well. He will descend at the time of Fajr prayer on a masjid in Damascus, the capital of Syria. He is of medium height, red-faced, and his hair is as if he just took a shower. He will call people back to Islam, but he will also be a military leader. The People of the Book will revert to Islam, and wealth will be super-abundant. Isa will break the cross, kill the swine, and personally slay Al-Dajjal. He will stay on Earth for a long time thereafter, and then die."
  4. "An animal will come and call people back to Islam." [A partial description of this animal is that it is very hairy, so much so that one will not be able to tell its front from its rear (Arabic: 'Dab-ba'). Reference to this animal is mentioned in the Qur'an.]
  5. "Gog and Magog (two hidden tribes of people) will break free of the dam that holds them back, and ravage the earth. They will drink all the water, and kill people until Allah sends against them a worm which will wipe them out." [This is roughly before/during the time of Isa, although it is not entirely clear.]
  6. "Three places in the world will sink and be swallowed up by the earth. One in the west, one in the east, and one in the Saudi Arabian peninsula." [This may refer to a series of giant, epic earthquakes.]
  7. "Fire will come from the area of Aden in Yemen, and sweep northwards." [There are claims that this already happened in some medevial event.]
  8. "The sun will rise from the west." [This description is not meant to be a symbolic one...but it is known that it is one of the last, if not the very last one before the following.]
  9. "Smoke will appear all over the earth which will cause believers to catch something similar to a slight cold, whereas the unbelievers will be hit harder by it. Finally, a cold wind will come and kill all believers, leaving only unbelievers on the earth who will then witness the LAST HOUR. The angel Israfil will blow a trumpet, and the resurrection of all human beings will begin." [At this point, the Day of Resurrection commences in which the skies and earth are destroyed by Allah.]
This list is far from complete; there are many other signs. A couple more of interest are: Constantinople (Istanbul) will fall before Rome to Islam (note that this means Rome will indeed fall), and the Muslim political system will go from Prophetic leadership to a just Khilafah to a 'biting' authority to an oppressive authority and finally back to a just Khilafah. It seems that today we are in the next to last stage of this chain; now is a good time to actively work for the reestablishment of the Muslim state and Khilafah.

Finally, the Prophet has said that when the Signs start to come, they will come FAST - like a string of beads falling one after the other.
 
"In a prophecy attributed to Muhammad, the Prophet predicts the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome at al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. Another prophecy holds that Rome’s allies will number 80. The Muslims will then proceed to conquer Constantinople..."

If ISIS' strategy didn't make since, they were trying to spark the Final Showdown. These groups are very eschatological (probably scatological, too). I even think the ISIS magazine (yes, they had a magazine) is called Dabiq.

Here are the signs of the appearance of the Mahdi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signs_of_the_reappearance_of_Muhammad_al-Mahdi

The Dajjal is blind in his right eye, so that might help us identify him when he comes.


"When he comes"? Were you quoting someone or are you seriously suggesting that the Dajjal will be a historical figure?
Not all Muslims agree that the Mahdi will return, that is mostly found in the Shiite (12ers) sect. ISIS is actually a part of the most conservative Sunni sect similar to what is found in Saudi Arabia, they would not agree with everything you've stated. In fact, they do not even believe that the Mahdi has been born yet.

I don't wish to get too political but all of the known terror groups are Sunni, except for Hezbollah, so the idea that Shia dominated Iran is the biggest sponsor of Sunni terror is laughable. I wish there was more knowledge of middle east religion.
 
"When he comes"? Were you quoting someone or are you seriously suggesting that the Dajjal will be a historical figure?
Not all Muslims agree that the Mahdi will return, that is mostly found in the Shiite (12ers) sect. ISIS is actually a part of the most conservative Sunni sect similar to what is found in Saudi Arabia, they would not agree with everything you've stated. In fact, they do not even believe that the Mahdi has been born yet.

I don't wish to get too political but all of the known terror groups are Sunni, except for Hezbollah, so the idea that Shia dominated Iran is the biggest sponsor of Sunni terror is laughable. I wish there was more knowledge of middle east religion.

I think Dajjal and Mahdi will probably be historical figures. Satan does not lie outright, but produces counterfeits. So the Islamic Messiah will probably be the Christian Antichrist, possibly. And their bad guy, the Dajjal, might be a great hero for us.

The Sunni also believe in the Mahdi. The Sunni follow the following collections of Hadith, and these speak of the Mahdi: Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Majah, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Sahih al-Nisa’i.

These state that at the end of the world the Mahdi will come and establish a universal government. The Prophet Isa will return as one of the followers of the Mahdi.
 
I think Dajjal and Mahdi will probably be historical figures. Satan does not lie outright, but produces counterfeits. So the Islamic Messiah will probably be the Christian Antichrist, possibly. And their bad guy, the Dajjal, might be a great hero for us.

The Sunni also believe in the Mahdi. The Sunni follow the following collections of Hadith, and these speak of the Mahdi: Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Majah, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Sahih al-Nisa’i.

These state that at the end of the world the Mahdi will come and establish a universal government. The Prophet Isa will return as one of the followers of the Mahdi.


Yes, the Sunni believe in the mahdi but not in a return because they don't believe that he has been born yet. Sorry if I did not make that clear.
 
Our confessions states it is the pope.
nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist

antichristos from
anti - (figuratively) "in place of," i.e. what substitutes (serves as an equivalent, what is proportional). https://biblehub.com/greek/473.htm
Christos - properly, "the Anointed One," the Christ (Hebrew, "Messiah"). https://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm

The Pope claims he is the Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi).
Vicarius is a Latin word, meaning substitute or deputy. It is the root of the English word "vicar". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarius
 
Our confessions states it is the pope.
nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist

antichristos from
anti - (figuratively) "in place of," i.e. what substitutes (serves as an equivalent, what is proportional). https://biblehub.com/greek/473.htm
Christos - properly, "the Anointed One," the Christ (Hebrew, "Messiah"). https://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm

The Pope claims he is the Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi).
Vicarius is a Latin word, meaning substitute or deputy. It is the root of the English word "vicar". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarius

Party pooper!
 
Our confessions states it is the pope.
nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist

antichristos from
anti - (figuratively) "in place of," i.e. what substitutes (serves as an equivalent, what is proportional). https://biblehub.com/greek/473.htm
Christos - properly, "the Anointed One," the Christ (Hebrew, "Messiah"). https://biblehub.com/greek/5547.htm

The Pope claims he is the Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi).
Vicarius is a Latin word, meaning substitute or deputy. It is the root of the English word "vicar". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarius
I do not hold that the Pope is the Antichrist, as scriptures seem to indicate will be a man of military and economic power, but the papacy certainly fits that of the False Prophet of end times. I just do not see the scriptures themselves agreeing with Confession on this exact point.
 
I do not hold that the Pope is the Antichrist, as scriptures seem to indicate will be a man of military and economic power, but the papacy certainly fits that of the False Prophet of end times. I just do not see the scriptures themselves agreeing with Confession on this exact point.
Scripture identifies him as antichrist which is the title he claims for himself. He just uses "vicar" instead of "anti", but both mean substitute.
 
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