The Nature of the Church based on Matthew 16- help me to respond

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How would you respond to a brother that holds to this doctrine below and advocates the same things that this article below advocates?


The Nature of the Church

Matthew 16:18

by D.C.

It is here that our Lord speaks of entering into a building program and He is careful to tell us what He will be building......”I will build my church”. This implies that there was no church prior to this time. There was no church in the Old Testament. It is to be found only in the New Testament. It is also
clear that it is a church that He is building. He did not say He would be building a Kingdom Hall....a Tabernacle....a Temple....the Salvation Army....the Promise Keepers....the Gideons....a Fellowship....a Synagogue....a Denomination....a Convention...a Chapel....the Family of God or the Kingdom. What He did say is that He Would Build His Church!

Historically, there are three major views of the church.

(1) The Roman Catholic View
This view states that the church is a universal and visible assembly. This
System allows a worldwide, universal organization with headquarters in Rome
where the Pope rules over this universal and visible church.

(2) The Protestant View
This view states that the church is a universal and invisible assembly referred to as “the body of Christ”. Protestants were forced either to accept Catholic baptism as valid or admit they made a mistake in leaving the Catholic system. So, they agreed the church was universal, but could not continue with Rome being the visible head. Therefore, they invented the term “invisible church”.

(3) The Biblical View
This view teaches the church to be a local and visible assembly. Baptist scholars have supported this view down through the ages with conviction.


B.H. Carroll, Ephesians, page 166:
“The whole of the modern Baptist idea of a now ‘universal, invisible church’ was borrowed from Pedo-Baptist confessions of faith in the Reformation times, and the Pedo-Baptists devised it to offset the equally erroneous idea of the Romanist ‘universal, visible church’.”

Arthur Pink, Studies in the Scriptures, December 1927:
“Now the kind of church which is emphasized in the New Testament is neither invisible nor universal; but instead, visible and local. The Greek word for ‘church’ is ecclesia, and those who know anything of that language are agreed that the word signifies ‘an assembly’. Now, an assembly is a company of people who actually assemble. If they never assemble, then it is a misuse of language to call them ‘an assembly’. Therefore, as all of God’s people never have yet assembled together, there is today no universal church.”

Jesse B. Thomas, The Church and the Kingdom, page 275:
“A church universal, composed to a disintegrated, unorganized throng of members of all the churches is from the functional point of view inconceivable. How could an indistinguishable, unrecognizable company of God’s elect, the invisible church, serve either the one purpose of a church or the other?”

J.R. Graves, Why Be A Baptist?, page 47
“The two essential ideas in the word ekklesia are assembly and organization. Every illustration of a church in the New Testament, such as temple or house or body, makes the veriest nonsense if it is not assembled and organized. The etymology of the word ekklesia makes it of necessity a local church.”

Thomas Armitage, History of Baptists, pages 188-120
“In the apostolic age the church was a local body, and each church was independent of every other church. The simple term ecclesia designates one congregation, or organized assembly, this being its literal and primal meaning........it follows then, that the New Testament nowhere speaks of
the ‘Universal, Catholic, or Invisible Church’, as indicating a merely ideal existence, separate from a real and local body. A local church fully expresses the meaning of the word ecclesia wherever it is found in Holy Writ.”

S.H. Ford, Brief Baptist History, page 95
“It should be remembered that by church, Baptists mean what the New Testament teaches....a local, real congregation of baptized believers united together for God’s service.” Having introduced this subject, let us proceed to the text itself.

THE MEANING OF THE WORD CHURCH
When Jesus said “I will build my church”, what kind of church was He referring to? Would it be invisible or visible? Would it be universal or local? It cannot be both .....rather it must be either or. He did not build two kinds of churches, both visible and invisible. If it is local, then it cannot be invisible. It must be one or the other.

We must first look at its etymology. The Greek word is ekkelesia. It is made up of two Greek words: ek meaning “out of’” and klesis meaning “called out ones”. How was this word used? The meaning of a word is not determined by its etymology, but rather by how it is used. The Greeks used it to describe an assembly....thus, ekklesia means “an assembly of called out ones, or ones called out for the purpose of assembly.” If it does not assemble, it is not a church.

There were three kinds of Ecclesias in the New Testament.
First, there was the assembly in the wilderness (Acts 7:38). Here Stephen is reviewing the history of Israel. He calls them “the church (ecclesia) in the wilderness”. It simply means that Israel was a congregation or assembly in the wilderness. That is what ecclesia means. It was not a universal, invisible group of people, but rather they were quite local and visible. They were assembled.

Next, there was the assembly of the citizens of Ephesus (Acts 19:3239,41). When Paul preached in Ephesus, it caused a riot. The town council was called out to deal with the matter. That council was called an ecclesia or assembly. They were not universal nor invisible. Quite the contrary, they were local and visible. That is the meaning of the word. They were called out for the purpose of assembly.

Third, we have the Lord’s assembly given in Matthew 16:18. Our Lord said “I will build my church (ecclesia).” He said He would build His assembly. It would not be like the assembly in the wilderness of which Stephen spoke. Rather, it would be a different ecclesia and assembly. It would not be “their” assembly, but “MY” assembly.

THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD CHURCH
How would we properly define the meaning of the church? It would be erroneous to say that the church is all of the elect of God from all ages. This would put Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the church which was not even in existence. It would also be erroneous to say that the church is made up of all denominations since Pentecost. Whenever would this worldwide church come together? A body that is disassembled is not a body. The church is an assembly of voluntary, baptized believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, assembled
for the purpose of carrying out the commands of Christ. “Assembly” rules out universal and invisible. “Believers “ rules out the unregenerate and all those who have not consciously and actively trusted Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. “Baptized” rules out all of those who are unbaptized as well as those sprinkled or poured. “Voluntary” rules out all small children and babies who have not exercised a willingness. “Lord Jesus Christ” eliminates all other
religions in the world. Salvation is in Christ and Christ alone. “The purpose of carrying out the commands of Christ” eliminates all not organized for the purpose carrying out the Great Commission.

HOW THE CHURCH IS PRESENTED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
First, it is used in an institutional sense (Ephesians 3:10, 21). Quite often when the church is used as the Church, it is speaking of the church in a generic or institutional fashion. We often speak of the Home. We are speaking of the system of the home which is made up of all literal and local homes. In the same way when we talk of the school, we mean the school as a system and not any one particular school . Yet, the school institutionally is made up of all local schools. If there were not local and visible schools, there would be no school system. It is the same with the church. The first mention of the word “church” is to be found in our text in Matthew 16:18.
Our Lord was not thinking of any particular assembly, whether the church at Jerusalem or anywhere else. He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against His church. The Jerusalem church is no longer with us. This could be said to thousands upon thousands of local assemblies. What He meant, however, was that His church as an institution would never pass away or be
destroyed and it has not. The church of our Lord is still here today after 2000 years.

Second, the church is used as a particular, local and visible assembly (Revelation 1:4). There were seven literal and visible assemblies such as “the church at Ephesus”, “the church at Sardis”, “the church at Thyatira” and “the church at Laodicea”. Each one was an individual, independent church defined by location and membership.

Finally, the church is used in a prospective sense (Ephesians 5:25-27). Here, Christ is presented as a husband, while the church is presented as the wife or bride. In order to have a husband and wife, there must be a marriage. That marriage has not happened yet. It will one day when Christ returns the second time. At that time, the church will be presented without spot and blemish. It is called “the church of the firstborn” in Hebrews 12:23. It will involve all of the redeemed of the ages, but only when they assemble in Glory and become the Glorified Church. That has not happened. It will occur in the future. In that day, we will all believe the same thing. There will be no denominational differences. It is the Prospective Church or Assembly in Glory.

THE PREDOMINANT USE OF EKKLESIA IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS LOCAL AND VISIBLE.
Ekklesia is used 118 times in the King James Version of the New Testament. Three times it is rendered “assembly”. It is rendered “church” 115 times. Of the 115 times it is rendered church, it speaks of the Israelite congregation one time in the Old Testament; four times it speaks of the prospective church in heaven; fourteen times it is used of the church as an institution or generically; ninety-six times it is used without question as a local and visible assembly.
The Scriptural citations for such a predominant and prevalent usage are very clear:
(1) Christ used the word ecclesia twenty-one times. Three of these are found in Matthew 16:18 and Matthew 18:17. Eighteen times He spoke of the ekklesia in Revelation. With the exception of our text as used generically, He always spoke of the church as local and visible. Christ never spoke of an invisible and universal church.
(2) The Apostle Paul wrote letters to literal and local churches: to the church at Rome, to the church at Corinth, to the church at Galatia, to the church at Ephesus, to the church at Colossae, to the church at Thessalonica and others.
(3) The historical churches in Acts were local and visible.
Acts 2:47 “The Lord added to the church daily” Acts 5:11 “Fear came upon all the church” Acts 8:1 “The church which was at Jerusalem” Acts 12:1 Herod sought to “vex certain of the church” Acts 14:23 “Ordained them elders in every church” Acts 15:4 “They were received of the church” Acts 16:5 “So were the churches established” Acts 18:22 “And saluted the church” Acts 20:17 “Called the elders of the church”
(4) The New Testament church could be disciplined (Matthew 18:17). III John 10 “Casteth them out of the church”

METAPHORS ARE USED TO DESCRIBE THE CHURCH AS LOCAL, TANGIBLE AND A VISIBLE ASSEMBLY
The church is referred to as a flock (I Peter 5:3). This involves some sheep under a shepherd. The church is referred to as the house of God (I Timothy 3:15). This involves many parts under a builder. The church is referred to as a husbandry (I Corinthians 3:9). This involves many plants under a husbandman. The church is referred to as a body (Romans 12:4-5). This involves many members under one head. The church is referred to as God’s building (I Corinthians 3:9). This involves many pieces joined by a builder. The church is referred to as a temple (I Corinthians 3:16). This involves many worshippers coming to the one worshipped....all are local and visible.

In conclusion, what the Lord Jesus promised in Matthew 16:18 and was empowered at Pentecost was the institution of the church made up of local and visible assemblies of baptized believers. He is the builder of His church.
There are a few things in the Bible of which it is said that Christ built, but none were invisible. He built the heavens and the earth in Genesis. They were not invisible. He is building the New Jerusalem in Revelation and that will not be invisible. He started the church 2000 years ago and it too is local and visible. Never fall for the universal, invisible trap!!


Can you help me respond?
 
The answer comes down to this: do you believe a local church's choice can be over turned? I say yes based on the apostle's doiong that at the council of jerusalem. I would say in a post apostalic age it makes sense to have representatives from different churches come together to decide and meet. Whether or not that means you can have two or three layers its up for debate. Personally I think the idea of a classisis (sp?) or presbyteries just makes sense in a global world but I don't think scripture demands that and just having a general assembly is perfectly acceptable (thats for smaller denominations).
 
Pergy,

Our confession states:

The catholic or universal church, which (with respect to the internal work of the Spirit and truth of grace) may be called invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Some texts to consider:

Hebrews 12:22-24 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

Colossians 1:18 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.

Ephesians 5:23 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

Ephesians 5:27 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless.

Ephesians 5:32 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

The denial of the universal church, among Baptists, is often found in A.B.A. and Landmark type churches. The problem here is a categorical distinction between the internal work of the Spirit and the authority/autonomy of a local church (assembly). Ultimately, all churches are under the authority and headship of Christ. We'll accept that as a given for the sake of discussion. The universal aspect of the church is the internal work accomplished by the Spirit. This work, as the framers of the confession correctly stated, is invisible; known only to God, because God is the One who has established, called, and confirmed the church and all those that are part of it. All those who have been born from above are part of the body of Christ, the church. Here is where the categorical difference comes into play. The church as opposed to a church.

As confessional Baptists, we believe in the church, but we also believe the church is administered through local assemblies. The universal church transcends all denominational affiliations, as well as all doctrinal divides that do not subvert the true gospel. Its number is made up of those who have truly been born again. It is the sum total of all Christians on earth, who are made Christians, not by creed or confession, but by the internal work of the Spirit. This view differs from Roman Catholicism in that Roman Catholicism believes it is the universal church, independent of the work of the Spirit.

Baptists who deny the universal church often do so out of an irrational fear that somehow their local authority will be usurped. Because they fail to make the categorical distinction between the sum total of the elect (invisible saints), and local church administration, is the reason why they deny this clear biblical teaching.
 
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