The seed of Abraham

[AV1611]

Is the nation of Israel a seed of Abraham or is Hoeksema correct when he states that the Jews as such were never the people of God?

 

[yeutter]

I have read a lot of Hoeksema and forgot he said that. Where did he write it?

 

[JM]

Sounds like IDS.org.

 

[reformedman]

I'd have to agree with Hoeksema. If the Jews were saved in any other way than the way Abraham and all other believers were saved, then there are two methods for salvation.

Therefore, I believe you can be a Jew of any calibur or type, or non Jew; the point is, it doesn't matter, it's still only by election that a man is saved and called to believe on the promised one, as saviour.

 

[AV1611]

I have read a lot of Hoeksema and forgot he said that. Where did he write it?

In http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_7.html where he states "The Jews never were the seed of Abraham."

 

[tcalbrecht]

He obviously distinguishes between the physical seed of Abraham and the spiritual seed of Abraham. Jews were the former but not necessarily the latter. (Romans 9:6,7)

 

[JM]

He obviously distinguishes between the physical seed of Abraham and the spiritual seed of Abraham. Jews were the former but not necessarily the latter. (Romans 9:6,7)

Isn't that a baptistic view?

 

[tcalbrecht]

Isn't that a baptistic view?

How so?

 

[JM]

How so?

Well, Baptists baptize based on profession not physical seed.

 

[Herald]

it's still only by election that a man is saved

No one is saved by election. Election is God's sovereign choice of who will be saved. We are saved by grace through faith...sola gratia, sola fide.

[bible]Ephesians 2:8[/bible]

...and this made possible by the blood of Christ.

 

[Herald]

Isn't that a baptistic view?

Jason - there really isn't such a thing. Baptists have a wide range of beliefs. Classical dispensationalists would have a different view than Reformed Baptists.

 

[JM]

Jason - there really isn't such a thing. Baptists have a wide range of beliefs. Classical dispensationalists would have a different view than Reformed Baptists.

Wouldn't the dispensational view be consider the dispensational view?

 

[tcalbrecht]

Well, Baptists baptize based on profession not physical seed.

Baptism, like circumcision, is based on covenant promises, not merely on profession or being physical seed. Abraham's entire household was circumcised, not just his physical sons. And so entire households in Acts were baptized as well.

 

[Herald]

Wouldn't the dispensational view be consider the dispensational view?

Huh?