Upcoming Puritan Sets from RHB - Thoughts?

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Hi Don, out of curiosity, what do you think are some of the best and most under appreciated works or authors sitting in storage?

(I have great admiration for Northampton Press, thank you for all your hard work.)
We're sitting on several titles by Jeremiah Burroughs (The Saints' Happiness" and "Moses' Choice." John Gerstner's "Primtive Theology" is another one. Jonathan Edwards' "Sermons on the Lord's Supper." William Gouge's "A Guide to Go to God." Increase Mather's "The Ministry of Angels." "Puritan Preachers: Joseph Alleine." Those are a few from memory. I'd have to go to the storage units to see others.
 
I loved Sinclair Ferguson's introduction to the Moody Stuart book. Perhaps Dr Ferguson could also write an introduction to Kenneth MacRae's diaries, and their importance to Christians today, and bring MacRae's diary back into print again. I have recommended these diaries to a number of Christians.



This is why the Soul's Conflict would make a valuable addition to the Puritan Paperback series. Are you able to recommend this to the Banner editor.
Thanks - yes, I will raise these suggestions!

Yes, I know Chris from Presbytery. He was our clerk for many years and served faithfully.

DJ
 
We have a lot of folks translating into Spanish. Translating well, on the other hand...
Just a quick note for our (mostly) monolingual American brothers. There is a massive problem in the Christian publishing world with poor translation of books into other languages.

This is a subject on which I know what I am talking about. My wife was a professional translator with Word of Life Press in Seoul, and was responsible for translating over fifty Christian books into Korean for that publisher, mostly Reformed and Puritan material (for example, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd Jones, and "moderns" such as Joel Beeke and John MacArthur). We worked together on the more difficult parts of her work dealing with older English from the 1600s and 1700s, which is a HUGE problem for people whose native language is not English, do not understand nuances of meaning and how words have changed over the centuries, and who do not intuitively recognize unattributed KJV Scripture references, even if they have formal theological training (my wife has two masters and a doctorate). We worked together on what for some reason was the first-ever translation of Edwards "Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God" into Korean and a number of other projects that the company's other translators had given up on or knew they couldn't do without a higher level of competence in older English style, grammar, and vocabulary.

Even modern books can be a problem. Many of our conversations involve living authors who have been frustrated by translation quality so I need to keep confidential conversations confidential. I'll cite only one example since the author involved is dead and did not ask for confidentiality -- Dr. John R. de Witt was approached three separate times to translate one of his books into Korean and asked why there was a need for the additional translation. Korean pastors (who need to remain nameless since they are still living) told him, with what for Asians is uncharacteristic bluntness, that the previous translation "was no good." Not talking here about minor issues, but at a level so serious that the pastors, who knew Dr. de Witt personally and had read his books in both English and Korean, did not believe they could recommend the Korean translations they owned as a faithful reflection of the English text.

Translation work too often gets done by graduate students from other countries living and studying in American seminaries who need money because churches and Christian organizations want to support their studies. I understand that and strongly sympathize.

Sadly, the churches are not served well when the result is a poor translation by a person who means well, but simply does not have the deep knowledge of English and the history of English literature and theology needed to do a translation project into their native language.

Yes, I get it that "something is better than nothing." If we were talking about a language of a country in which there are few evangelical churches, I do understand the need for providing theological material to help native pastors counteract non-Christian teachings and false doctrine and heresy being taught inside the church. Speed is crucial to save souls when JWs, Mormons, or other groups are running rampant with American money funneling massive resources into getting what is, quite literally, demonic material into the hands of naive people who do not understand doctrine and can be confused.

That's not the case with a language like Spanish spoken by hundreds of millions of people with a growing evangelical presence, and there's even less excuse for the problem in Korean where there are **FAR** more Calvinists who speak Korean than who speak English.

This is a real problem and it really needs to get addressed. We're well past the stage with Spanish and Korean in which we should be relying on poorly prepared translators who may know their native language well but do not know English well enough to be doing their jobs.
 
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Some years back Carl Trueman opined that Thomas Goodwin's works were horribly edited for the 19th century edition that has been in print and that someone needs to go back to the original editions and start again. Congregationalists are not my thing. Anyone know of any plans to actually do that?
Well.... Congregationalists **ARE** my thing, but I have a newspaper to run and am spending far more time on the visible consequences of total depravity -- a real example in our county court is two lesbian mothers who killed their child by starving and suffocation, and just recently were both sentenced to life in prison -- than on the theological works defending that doctrine and explaining and proclaiming it.

(And yes, that story should have gotten national media attention, not just a few small town reporters following it, and I was the only one in the courtroom for sentencing since by the end, everyone else had lost interest in what our 70-year-old circuit judge said it was the worst child murder case he'd seen in his entire judicial career, or before that as a county prosecutor. Any idea why it didn't get more attention? /sarc )

While I think most of us understand why some topics don't get the attention they deserve, it's not necessarily as obvious why needed work doesn't get done on authors like Goodwin.

Here's why. (Or at least part of why.)

Doing the necessary work Carl Trueman said should be done on going back to the earlier editions of Goodwin is a big enough project that it needs a seminary professor with graduate assistants to help. It's not like there are a whole lot of Congregationalists teaching in Reformed seminaries. That's no criticism of Westminster Seminary, etc. -- Presbyterian seminaries **SHOULD** enforce confessional subscription for their professors -- but it leads to Congregationalists who might be interested in an academic career recognizing that unless they have the prestige of someone like David Wells, author of "No Place for Truth: Whatever Happened to Evangelical Theology?" there is simply no future for a Reformed Congregationalist in academic life. Even then, they'll be teaching at places like Gordon-Conwell where most students are not Reformed and it's necessary to go over the basics, year after year, over and over again, rather than being able to build on a confessional foundation in which most students were raised in Reformed churches since childhood, or became highly committed to the Reformed faith as young adults.

The result is that people who might have gotten Th.M.s after their M.Div.s never do so, and therefore they don't even consider Ph.D. level work. In the modern world, men without Ph.D.s are not going to be considered at Reformed seminaries that are academically respectable and accredited apart from very unusual circumstances, apart (sometimes) for "practical theology" positions. Even then a D.Min. will usually be expected for a younger man though occasionally an older man with decades of experience in the pastorate might be hired to teach the practical aspects of church ministry.

I realize the Reformed Baptists will say, "Hey, we were in the same boat for at least half a century." Sort of, but not quite. The total number of Baptists is in the millions in North America. Reformed Baptists may not have controlled significant seminaries until Al Mohler and the takeover of Southern Seminary, but Reformed Baptists have always had a much larger number of people interested in their books and magazines simply because there were much larger numbers of Baptists. There was a built-in audience for Spurgeon and the histories of the Particular Baptist movement that just doesn't exist in the same numbers for any other Reformed group outside the Presbyterian and Dutch Reformed world.

A better question is this: There are far more Reformed Congregational churches today in the United States than there were in New England in 1648 when the Cambridge Synod was convened. There are far more Reformed Congregational churches than there were when Harvard was organized, and probably more than when Yale was organized. No, I'm not kidding. The total number of churches in the modern RCUS is about the same as the total number of Congregational churches in New England who drafted one of the two major Congregational confessional documents. Yes, it's true that the New England Congregational churches were much larger in membership than most modern RCUS churches or churches in other NAPARC denominations -- Congregational pastors in Puritan New England were normally preaching to audiences of many hundreds of people, or sometimes over a thousand people, and even rural churches were larger because of the need to have villages with sufficient population to defend themselves by force of arms if attacked -- but the total number of pastors wasn't a lot larger in early-to-mid 1600s Puritan New England.

Why aren't modern Reformed Congregationalists working to create something like the Reformed Baptists did with their Founders Conference? I don't have a good answer to that, but until something like that happens, problems are going to continue in Congregationalism that the Presbyterians, the Dutch Reformed, and the Baptists do not have.

I'm not interested in complaining without getting off my rear end and doing something, though there is not a lot that can be done here in the Ozarks. What I can do is publish and write.

For whatever it may be worth, my next project, which has been in the works for a couple of years, is to get the historic Waldensian Catechism and confessions (both pre-Reformation and post-Reformation) back into print with a historical introduction. To make any sense of the Waldensian catechism and confessions, people need to know who the Waldensians were, how most Waldensians came to accept the Reformed wing of the Reformation (some blended into the Hussites before the Reformation, and after the Reformation some ended up in Lutheranism), and what happened to the Waldensians during the great Réveil of the 1800s when missionaries from the Free Church of Scotland largely succeeded in restoring an emphasis on biblical authority and personal conversion to a group that, thanks largely to the liberalism of the Genevan Academy, was well down the road to the same problems that wrecked the German Reformed and the Swiss Reformed churches of Europe. Sadly, the story from the 1900s is largely the same as the story of the rest of the older mainline churches in Europe. The Waldensians were saved from the liberalism of the 1800s, but largely succumbed to the liberalism of the 1900s, though there are certainly still evangelical Waldensians out there and some are in quite important roles.

I wasn't aware of Dennison's project before Dr. Beeke published Dennison's four-volume work, but a number of key Waldensian documents are not in Dennison's book, and I think there is still value in getting this available in English.

I expect I'll also be reprinting my edition of the Cambridge Platform from the early 1990s since most of the texts currently available are using problematic later printings that introduced errors and don't go back to the original 1648 document, and then doing the same with the Savoy Declaration, which is a project I began in the late 1990s but never finished. Nobody would (or should) tolerate having multiple versions of the Westminster Confession and Catechisms in print that contain differences due to a long history of typographical errors without knowing what the Westminster Assembly actually produced, but that is a problem faced by Congregationalists thanks to a lack of interest in their confessional heritage in the mid-to-late 1800s, the period when the Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed and German Reformed were working to establish accurate texts of what the WCF, WSC, WLC, and Three Forms of Unity actually said, and in the case of the non-English confessions, to establish accurate translations into then-current English since the translations into English from the 1600s sometimes were not very good.

Folks, you all must realize the tension publishers have between books we'd LIKE to publish and books we think people will actually buy (and hopefully read). There are books I've published that are sitting in a storage unit. because they have not sold well. They're good books, but unfortunately didn't catch on with the buying public. And it's hard to have money tied up in project that wasn't one that caught on. All the titles mentioned here are good and worthy ones. Whether or not they will sell well still needs to be seen. It's too bad it comes down to a money issue, eh?

As Don Kistler points out on this thread (quoted above), publishers need to recognize that some good books don't generate a good bottom line. We're mostly if not entirely conservatives here on the Puritan Board, not only in doctrine but also in economics, and that means we understand that businesses, even "nonprofit" organizations, need to make a profit or at least break even.

With very small press runs in the hundreds, not thousands, I frankly don't care because I don't need to care.

But Kistler needs to care, and so do Banner of Truth, Reformation Heritage Books, and others. That's life and I don't blame them at all for doing what makes money and not doing what doesn't (or probably more accurately, using the money from things that sell well to pay for important things that need to be published but won't sell well).

I happen to have a major interest in Congregationalism and in Italian Calvinism -- and before people say there's no connection between the two, go tell that to Oliver Cromwell, who threatened to send the English Army to the gates of Turin and successfully intimidated the Duke of Savoy into stopping his persecution of the Waldensians. Not only that, Cromwell raised what in that era was a massive amount of English money to pay to resettle the Waldensians in their historic valleys after warfare had destroyed virtually all of the towns and fields in those valleys.

(Side point: Memory says it was 16,000 pounds that Cromwell raised, but that may be the amount left in England after the initial distribution to the Waldensians in the last years of Cromwell's reign, so I'd have to check to be sure. In any case, the "leftover" was enough to create an endowment fund for the Waldensians that was used to pay pastors and schoolteachers, and remained important well into the 1700s and still exists today, though today the distributions are only a token amount thanks to runaway inflation of the 1800s and the early 1900s and lack of what we would today call "investment vehicles" for liquid assets, or the cadre of professional asset managers that we now take for granted with endowments. Back then church endowments were usually fixed assets of land. If the assets were in cash, inflation could quickly destroy them, and the same with investments in land that became unprofitable for agriculture. Nothing like the modern stock market and relatively safe long-term investments that can be expected to appreciate over time if managed properly.)

Most people don't have that interest in Italian Calvinism, which today is all but unknown in the English-speaking world, and not much better known in Italy.

I understand that.

If people stop shooting each other in my county for long enough that I can write about something other than crimes, I hope to have the Waldensian work done before the end of the year -- but I have been saying that now for about two years with a draft text sitting on my computer for close to three years, so we'll see what happens, or not.

What I guess I'm really trying to say with all this is simple -- if you are Presbyterian or Dutch Reformed, **DO NOT TAKE THE WORK OF YOUR SEMINARIES AND PUBLISHING HOUSES FOR GRANTED!!!!!!**

Many people in the Reformed world would love to have even a tiny fraction of the support structure that Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed have for what they do. The Reformed Baptists know what it's like to have to start with very little, but they've done great work over the last half-century or so.

As for the rest of us -- well, let's just say a lot of people outside the "big boys" wish there were even one seminary or publishing house serving their denomination or group of churches.
 
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On a different, but related note, I heard Chad vanDixhoorn say on a recent podcast that a couple volumes of RHB’s new set of Rutherford’s works should be released by the end of this year.
I keep checking their coming soon page, but it doesn't look like they really keep that up-to-date.
 
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