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A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either:
"¢ Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
"¢ Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
"¢ Denies that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
"¢ Denies that there is such a thing as "common grace," OR
"¢ Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.
All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.
Originally posted by CJ_Chelpka
I've heard some people call a 5-point Calvinist a hyper-Calvinist. But these same people refer to themselves as 4- or 3-point (etc.) Calvinists, a label that is unhelpful at best.
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
2. That the mind of man, due to the fall, is utterly destroyed.
3. That fallen men have no duty to believe in the Gospel by faith.
4. That men must have a subjective theological knowledge of regeneration before they can believe the Gospel.
5. That the Gospel should not be universally tendered or offered to all men, everywhere.
6. That the Gospel should not be offered to men except they are regenerate.
7. That God does not have a general love for all men in His indiscriminate providence.
8. That Limited Atonement must be believed in order to hear the Gospel, and be saved and converted.
9. *That God cannot desire things He has not decreed, or decree things He has not desired.
Originally posted by CJ_Chelpka
I always appreciate the thoughts of our own Dr. McMahon. I hope you don't mind me posting this Dr. McMahon.
Please read A Critique of Hyper-Calvinism to better understand these points, they are the conclusion.
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
2. That the mind of man, due to the fall, is utterly destroyed.
3. That fallen men have no duty to believe in the Gospel by faith.
4. That men must have a subjective theological knowledge of regeneration before they can believe the Gospel.
5. That the Gospel should not be universally tendered or offered to all men, everywhere.
6. That the Gospel should not be offered to men except they are regenerate.
7. That God does not have a general love for all men in His indiscriminate providence.
8. That Limited Atonement must be believed in order to hear the Gospel, and be saved and converted.
9. *That God cannot desire things He has not decreed, or decree things He has not desired.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
Originally posted by Civbert
Basically, who are the hyper-calvinists?
Originally posted by ChristopherPaul
Originally posted by Civbert
Basically, who are the hyper-calvinists?
The term or label, "Hyper-Calvinist" is used more as an accusation rather than a badge. Not too many people will gladly call themselves a Hyper-Calvinist; most 'hypers' will deny the accusation.
If you want to see some Hyper-Calvinists in action visit www.5solas.org.
Originally posted by CJ_Chelpka
I always appreciate the thoughts of our own Dr. McMahon. I hope you don't mind me posting this Dr. McMahon.
Please read A Critique of Hyper-Calvinism to better understand these points, they are the conclusion.
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
2. That the mind of man, due to the fall, is utterly destroyed.
3. That fallen men have no duty to believe in the Gospel by faith.
4. That men must have a subjective theological knowledge of regeneration before they can believe the Gospel.
5. That the Gospel should not be universally tendered or offered to all men, everywhere.
6. That the Gospel should not be offered to men except they are regenerate.
7. That God does not have a general love for all men in His indiscriminate providence.
8. That Limited Atonement must be believed in order to hear the Gospel, and be saved and converted.
9. *That God cannot desire things He has not decreed, or decree things He has not desired.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
Originally posted by Archlute
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
This sounds more like a jab against the supralapsarian order of the decrees than any real evidence that this order actually leads one to hyper-calvinism.
Originally posted by Me Died Blue
Originally posted by Archlute
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
This sounds more like a jab against the supralapsarian order of the decrees than any real evidence that this order actually leads one to hyper-calvinism.
While I disagree with the supra position altogether, I must say I thought the same thing when reading that point, as one in fact cannot be a consistent supra without affirming it.
Originally posted by Civbert
Originally posted by Me Died Blue
Originally posted by Archlute
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
This sounds more like a jab against the supralapsarian order of the decrees than any real evidence that this order actually leads one to hyper-calvinism.
While I disagree with the supra position altogether, I must say I thought the same thing when reading that point, as one in fact cannot be a consistent supra without affirming it.
So then a supralapsarian is a hyper-calvinist?
It is also evident that the sinner's justification need not wait until he is converted, nor until he has become conscious, nor even until he is born. This could not be so if justification depended upon something within him. Then he could not be justified before he existed and had done something. But if justification is not bound to anything in him, then this whole limitation must disappear, and the Lord our God be sovereignly free to render this justification at any moment that He pleases. Hence the Sacred Scripture reveals justification as an eternal act of God, ie., an act which is not limited by any moment in the human existence. It is for this reason that the child of God, seeking to penetrate into that glorious and delightful reality of his justification, does not feel himself limited to the moment of his conversion, but feels that this blessedness flows to him from the eternal depths of the hidden life of God. It should therefore openly be confessed, and without any abbreviation, that justification does not occur when we become conscious of it, but that, on the contrary, our justification was decided from eternity in the holy judgment-seat of our God.
But-and this should not be overlooked-this publishing in the consciousness of the person himself must necessarily follow, and this brings us back again to the special work of the Holy Spirit. For if in God's judiciary it is more particularly the Father who justifies the ungodly, and in the preparing of salvation more particularly the Son who in His Incarnation and Resurrection brings about justification, so it is, in more limited sense, the Holy Spirit particularly who reveals this justification to the persons of the elect and causes them to appropriate it to themselves. It is by this act of the Holy Spirit that the elect obtain the blessed knowledge of their justification, which only then begins to be a living reality to them.
For this reason Scripture reveals these two positive, but apparently contradictory truths, with equally positive emphasis: (1) that, on the one hand, He has justified us in His own judgment-seat from eternity; and (2) that, on the other, only in conversion are we justified by faith.
And for this reason faith itself is fruit and effect of our justification; while it is also true that, for us, justification begins to exist only as a result of our faith
WCF 11:4 God did, from all eternity, decree to justify all the elect; and Christ did, in the fulness of time, die for their sins, and rise again for their justification: nevertheless, they are not justified, until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them.
Originally posted by Me Died Blue
Originally posted by Archlute
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
This sounds more like a jab against the supralapsarian order of the decrees than any real evidence that this order actually leads one to hyper-calvinism.
While I disagree with the supra position altogether, I must say I thought the same thing when reading that point, as one in fact cannot be a consistent supra without affirming it.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by Me Died Blue
Originally posted by Archlute
Conclusion: who is a Hyper-Calvinist?
In summary, a Hyper-Calvinist would be one who holds any of the following points due to their logical extensions. (Those points with asterisks are those who are slowly leading themselves into Hyper-Calvinism.)
1. *That God elect or damns without considering men as fallen creatures.
[Edited on 1-24-2006 by CJ_Chelpka]
This sounds more like a jab against the supralapsarian order of the decrees than any real evidence that this order actually leads one to hyper-calvinism.
While I disagree with the supra position altogether, I must say I thought the same thing when reading that point, as one in fact cannot be a consistent supra without affirming it.
It would be wrong to label all supralapsarians as Hyper-Calvinists. They are not. But I believe that it would be correct to observe that all Hypers are also supralapsarians.
It would be wrong to label all supralapsarians as Hyper-Calvinists. They are not. But I believe that it would be correct to observe that all Hypers are also supralapsarians.
Type-3 hyper-Calvinism is based on a denial that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect. An alternative of this view merely denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal. For an excellent discussion of this issue, see "The Free Offer of the Gospel," by John Murray and Ned B. Stonehouse (also available at the Orthodox Presbyterian Church's Web site).
Calvin later expanded his refutation of Castellio's antipredestinarian views in a treatise on the Secret Providence of God (1558). Here again, Calvin makes it clear that the proposition in 1 Timothy 2:4, that God desires the salvation of all persons, must be qualified. "Since no one but he who is drawn by the secret influence of the Spirit can approach unto God, how is it that God does not draw all men indiscriminately to himself, if he really 'wills all men to be saved'?"94 For Calvin, this passage can mean that God wants all kinds, races, and classes of people to be saved; or it can mean that God wills that if anyone is to be saved, that person must repent and believe, and that this preceptive will of God is to be preached indiscriminately to all. But it does not mean that God earnestly desires the salvation of all who hear the preaching of the gospel. http://www.prca.org/articles/ctjblack.html
Originally posted by Magma2
It would be wrong to label all supralapsarians as Hyper-Calvinists. They are not. But I believe that it would be correct to observe that all Hypers are also supralapsarians.
How would you know, since it seems there is absolutely no agreement as to what a hyper-Calvinist is? A hyper-Calvinist is whatever anyone says it is, or at least what Phillip Johnson says it is (that big stick in the hands of a little man). Case in point. Johnson asserts:
Type-3 hyper-Calvinism is based on a denial that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect. An alternative of this view merely denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal. For an excellent discussion of this issue, see "The Free Offer of the Gospel," by John Murray and Ned B. Stonehouse (also available at the Orthodox Presbyterian Church's Web site).
In my experience to even suggest that Murray and Stonehouse are not the final word on whether or not God desires the salvation of the reprobate through the preaching of the gospel will quickly mark a person as a hyper-Calvinist. Yet, Robert Reymond said that Murray´s exegetical sloppiness as it relates to the so-called Well Meant Offer imputes irrationality to God. Matthew Winzer states:
"œThose who reject Prof. Murray´s predication of a desire in God for the salvation of all men, do so for this very reason: because his report does not give proper regard to the anthropomorphic language of Scripture. Consequently, it represents God, not as incompetent to obtain what He desires, but as unwilling to have what He apparently desires and is fully competent to obtain. Hence, the rejection of Prof. Murray´s formulation proceeds, not on the basis that it contradicts the light of nature, but that it contradicts the light of Scripture. Moreover, the Scriptural references which Prof. Murray has alleged in favour of his formulation, do not teach what he has endeavoured so earnestly to extract from them." http://www.fpcr.org/blue_banner_articles/Murray-Free-Offer-Review.htm
Yet, if one accepts Johnson´s broad bush "œbut not quite precise" definitions of hyper-Calvinism not only are Reymond and Winzer hyper-Calvinists, but arguably so was Calvin. Raymond Blacketer writing in the Calvin Theological Journal concludes:
Calvin later expanded his refutation of Castellio's antipredestinarian views in a treatise on the Secret Providence of God (1558). Here again, Calvin makes it clear that the proposition in 1 Timothy 2:4, that God desires the salvation of all persons, must be qualified. "Since no one but he who is drawn by the secret influence of the Spirit can approach unto God, how is it that God does not draw all men indiscriminately to himself, if he really 'wills all men to be saved'?"94 For Calvin, this passage can mean that God wants all kinds, races, and classes of people to be saved; or it can mean that God wills that if anyone is to be saved, that person must repent and believe, and that this preceptive will of God is to be preached indiscriminately to all. But it does not mean that God earnestly desires the salvation of all who hear the preaching of the gospel. http://www.prca.org/articles/ctjblack.html
Also, good call on the above quote from Kuyper´s piece, Justification from Eternity (http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/akjust2.htm ) which is more proof that ambiguous and imprecise definitions are dangerous, particularly in the hands of theological bigots -- which of course excludes everyone here.
So then a supralapsarian is a hyper-calvinist?
Civbert said:7. That God does not have a general love for all men in His indiscriminate providence.
all hyper Calvinists are supralapsarians.
Is it wrong to say God hates certain people and does not love those that he hates.