What is it Now with Feminism and Entertainment?

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Dachaser, Dec 26, 2017.

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  1. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    As there seems to be a real agenda push from some to have females shown as now superior, as in Wonder Woman, heroine in Star wars, and now a female Dr Who?
     
  2. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    I'm not sure what you mean by "now".

    Wonder Woman was on TV in the mid 70s. TV commercials from that era often portrayed "Dad" as the hapless dolt who is saved from shame by the clever wife who bought the right stain-remover, etc.

    In other words, nothing particularly new is going on.
     
  3. Southern Presbyterian

    Southern Presbyterian Moderator Staff Member

    "That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun."

    -Ecclesiastes 1:9
     
  4. timfost

    timfost Puritan Board Junior

    Is it necessarily feminist to have a heroine?
     
  5. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    It is not just feminism but the homosexual movement as well. TV shows and movies are tripping over themselves trying to work degenerates into their plot lines as loving partners or parents, even while conservative types are portrayed negatively.

    Given that public schools and Hollywood has done this for years now, it should be no surprise that Millenials are the way they are...the first fully brainwashed generation in American history.
     
  6. jwithnell

    jwithnell Moderator Staff Member

    I agree, the gay agenda on TV has been most disturbing.

    As far as feminist superheroes, there's a difference between submission and dominance.
     
  7. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    They've always been doing this. Identity Politics is a weapon. Evangelicals are just now waking up to it.
     
  8. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Wonder Woman shows to us a female super hero who is strong, leading, and also vulnerable, but that seems to be the exception, as many females shown as being superior to all males.
     
  9. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    the sad thing is that many seem to have been asleep while that was happening.
     
  10. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    You are so right on this post, as the Homosexual and now transgender crowd have pretty much been able to get culture to reflect their "alternative lifestyles" as being now the new normal.
     
  11. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    No. not unless she gets shown as being so superior that all men are dullards by comparison.
     
  12. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Most Evangelicals and Reformed today are willing to speak out when it is on Queer Theory, but if you suggest that Critical Race Theory is part of the Cultural Marxist baggage, then the same guys will start to waffle.
     
  13. timfost

    timfost Puritan Board Junior

    I'm not persuaded this is because of feminism per se but rather it is the nature of the superhero character.

    I'm not disagreeing with the fact that Hollywood is pushing feminism and LGBTQ messages, but let's not say because a heroine superhero is stronger than men that it is feminist.

    Would we say that if a movie portrayed a female protagonist that was smarter than men that it was feminist because she was smarter?

    Yes, men generally are physically stronger than women, but last time I checked, comic book superheros are by design not supposed to be realistic.

    :2cents:
     
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  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I agree with you basic point on this, but just saying that many were bent out of shape when DC had Superman shown in the Justice league movie to be her physical superior, they yelled was anti female for daring to show that.
     
  15. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    What is the Critical Race Theory?
     
  16. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Risk of oversimplifying, but it is the view that the problems in race, society, and law today are due to White Power Structures keeping women and minorities down.
     
  17. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    So that would be where many see America as being founded by white racists and slave owners then?
     
  18. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    That's only the start. The key point is that "whiteness" has been institutionalized and is being used to oppress everyone.
     
  19. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    And all the while whites make up only 10% of the world. We must be pretty special to be oppressing that other 90% all the time despite our numerical disadvantages.
     
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  20. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    The real question is regardless of the skin color, is the person obeying the Lord and applying the bible or not
     
  21. Piano Hero

    Piano Hero Puritan Board Sophomore

    I do agree that modern feminism, of women being superior to men is being pushed into our culture...I did, however, enjoy Wondering Woman (though I've yet to see Justice League, so they may have presented her character in a different way). To me, it showed her being a strong woman, and because she was a different race (not quite human), she was stronger in a sense, but the movie didn't, in my eyes, bash a "poor weak men, girls need to rise up and help" message. I guess I can see where people would think that of the film, but I personally didn't see it as man-hating.
    Spoilers for Wondering Woman:



    In the No Man's Land scene, to me it harkened back to the scene from Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, with Eowyn's "I am no man" bit. Both of these scenes don't scream "women are superior" or even "women are equal to men" to me, but that different strengths help in different occasions.


    Edit: My phone wanted to make Wonder Woman look like a philosophical film, apparently. :p
     
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  22. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    (Neckbeard moment on my part) In the original Tolkien "man" meant no non-elven weapon could kill him. Many Tolkien scholars think Tolkien contradicted himself here, but one can also see Merry's stabbing the Witch-King with the elven magic knife undid the Witch-King's magic spell, thus allowing Eowen's blade to kill him.[/end neckbeard moment]

    Sorry. Couldn't resist. I do agree with your larger point.
     
  23. Logan

    Logan Puritan Board Junior

    I agree with Tim. Specifically in Wonder Woman I never felt like Diana was manly. She was actually quite feminine... Just really strong too :)

    And it wasn't like the guy in that film had nothing to offer, brains or otherwise. It was really his noble sacrifice that saved the day. But Wonder Woman was still way cooler than him!

    I sometimes feel like Christians get a hyper sensitivity to things like this. I have a friend who seems to see allusions to homosexuality everywhere, even in places I'm pretty sure wasn't intended. I mean, Bugs Bunny tricking Elmer Fudd while wearing a dress is pretty funny!
     
  24. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    Bugs Bunny and Uncle Milty dressing up like women was funny back then because it was so preposterous. Now the preposterous has become the norm.
     
  25. timfost

    timfost Puritan Board Junior

    Yes! Part of the problem is that we often want to classify something as "all bad" or "all good." In part, feminism was a reaction to the notion that men are superior and of greater importance than women. In combating certain legitimate concerns, however, much of feminist thought takes what was bad about "masculine" or chauvinistic thought and applied this faulty doctrine to the movement. The result sometimes takes the expression of a greater divide than equality between the sexes.

    Since I live with seven women (well, my wife and six daughters :)), conversations along these lines are frequent. For example, I mentioned that men (as a whole) are stronger than women. My oldest daughter heard that and thought I was saying that men were better because they were stronger. I had to explain that we need to be able to acknowledge the differences without the bias that the qualities of one sex are superior to the other.

    I can't help but think that not making distinctions or suppressing the differences between men and women has, in part, led our society to the current idea that gender is subjective. We should celebrate and highly esteem our differences because it is the combination of both different sexes, specifically in marriage, that makes humanity complete.
     
  26. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Gilligan's Island?
     
  27. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I should have treated Wonder Woman on a different basis, as agree with you and others here that it pretty much showed her as being strong, powerful, skilled, and yet all female, without putting down men in general, but my criticism regarding those other issues still seem valid to me.
     
  28. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Think that a big problem is that there is such a big push to have a genderless culture going on now, as God defined roles for Men and Women seem to be getting discarded by many today.
     
  29. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Steve Hays did a good job documenting this type of thinking. He is responding to a tweet by Anthony Bradley, a leading PCA intellectual who said "From a black church perspective evangelicals have never had the gospel."

    http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/12/cooning.html
     
  30. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Those quotes sound like good ol' 60s segregationists to me. I'm going to :popcorn: and try to :stirpot: while watching the Black militants beat up on the 60s style liberals in the PCA.
     
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