VerticalLiftEnjoyer
Puritan Board Freshman
How should one invest their talents? I’m not asking for, “well you should do this”, for I know there’s no specific rule for everyone, but what are some rules of thumb?
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Like, say a man is a talented doctor. Should he stay in his job at a hospital, or would that be sin, and a mishandling of his talents? My understanding is God gives each man talents, and He expects a return of investment in His own church, not anywhere else, unless it benefits the church.Can you flesh this question out some?
Like, say a man is a talented doctor. Should he stay in his job at a hospital, or would that be sin, and a mishandling of his talents? My understanding is God gives each man talents, and He expects a return of investment in His own church, not anywhere else, unless it benefits the church.
I’m passionate about aviation, and as such feel like not becoming a missionary bush pilot is sin. However, I have no desire to do the missionary part of it and am unsuitable for it as well, coupled with the fact that I question whether most missionary aviation organizations deserve support.Good day. Definitely the Church. Also, where there is need. What talent do you think of specifically?
I heard about that.I’m passionate about aviation, and as such feel like not becoming a missionary bush pilot is sin. However, I have no desire to do the missionary part of it and am unsuitable for it as well, coupled with the fact that I question whether most missionary aviation organizations deserve support.
The Gospel is clear; those who want to hold on to their lives (desires, hopes, passions, and aspirations) will lose it; those who lose it for Jesus' sake will find it. While others may disagree, it sounds like you may be trying to find affirmation to simply do as you desire, apart from any real effort to correlate your vocation with your Commission. But no such affirmation can exist. If you are in the position to choose your vocation, it must be done to the glory of God; with his interests in mind. We are not on earth to do or seek our own wills. While you do not have to be a missionary, or engage in any formal ministry; you also do not get off the hook to just pursue a slothish faith and prosperity because you are a laymen. Many will disagree with that point, but I think the Bible is clear on it. Christian ministry is so expansive, that almost any talent can be used, even in non-church vocations for his glory. From aviation, to web-design, to carpentry, etc. It will be then left up to you to fly just because you like flying; or fly in service to him. Much of what you propose seems like an American understanding, not a Christian one. The American motto is "do something, do it well, and enjoy the fruits." The Christian motto is "do something, and do it as unto the Lord; and whatever fruit you garnish, is to be reinvested for greater returns."I’m passionate about aviation, and as such feel like not becoming a missionary bush pilot is sin. However, I have no desire to do the missionary part of it and am unsuitable for it as well, coupled with the fact that I question whether most missionary aviation organizations deserve support.
I’m willing to serve in a logistics capacity, but the capital M ministry and missionary is where I falter. Absolutely not suitable for that even though I do want solid and consistent workplace evangelism and witness. Problem is nobody wants just a pilot (in agencies at least; individual churches may vary), they want the whole package that I can’t provide, or would be forced to provide (painfully).The Gospel is clear; those who want to hold on to their lives (desires, hopes, passions, and aspirations) will lose it; those who lose it for Jesus' sake will find it. While others may disagree, it sounds like you may be trying to find affirmation to simply do as you desire, apart from any real effort to correlate your vocation with your Commission. But no such affirmation can exist. If you are in the position to choose your vocation, it must be done to the glory of God; with his interests in mind. We are not on earth to do or seek our own wills. While you do not have to be a missionary, or engage in any formal ministry; you also do not get off the hook to just pursue a slothish faith and prosperity because you are a laymen. Many will disagree with that point, but I think the Bible is clear on it. Christian ministry is so expansive, that almost any talent can be used, even in non-church vocations for his glory. From aviation, to web-design, to carpentry, etc. It will be then left up to you to fly just because you like flying; or fly in service to him. Much of what you propose seems like an American understanding, not a Christian one. The American motto is "do something, do it well, and enjoy the fruits." The Christian motto is "do something, and do it as unto the Lord; and whatever fruit you garnish, is to be reinvested for greater returns."
With this being said, do not wrack your brain trying to discern a specific will, but take an honest account of your talents, and seek to serve him in whatever area you enjoy and are good at. If you have many talents, pick one; and if you have but one, use it.
How does a Christian carpenter who is not doing it unto the LORD differ from a Christian carpenter who does it unto the LORD? What does it look like?Much of what you propose seems like an American understanding, not a Christian one. The American motto is "do something, do it well, and enjoy the fruits." The Christian motto is "do something, and do it as unto the Lord; and whatever fruit you garnish, is to be reinvested for greater returns."
How does a Christian carpenter who is not doing it unto the LORD differ from a Christian carpenter who does it unto the LORD? What does it look like?
I’m passionate about aviation, and as such feel like not becoming a missionary bush pilot is sin. However, I have no desire to do the missionary part of it and am unsuitable for it as well, coupled with the fact that I question whether most missionary aviation organizations deserve support.
I’m willing to serve in a logistics capacity, but the capital M ministry and missionary is where I falter. Absolutely not suitable for that even though I do want solid and consistent workplace evangelism and witness. Problem is nobody wants just a pilot (in agencies at least; individual churches may vary), they want the whole package that I can’t provide, or would be forced to provide (painfully).
I always appreciate your wisdom and thoughts. Maybe you can share your thoughts on this. It seems that hundreds of years ago people were basically very limited in what they were able to do with their lives, sticking with simple trades, and following in the feet of what their parents generally did.As long as it is righteous, all vocations are a worthy calling for a believer.
If you have the capability of being an aviator (and can gain the appropriate credentials) go for it. If the church is not confirming the gifts and calling to gospel ministry, why would a job with Alaska Airlines be inappropriate?
Evangelicalism is reaffirming the idea of "a higher calling" that was totally rejected by the reformers 500 years ago.
A Christian carpenter could use his talents for non-profits, thus relieving communal hardships. Or they could be industrious in their work with the original intent to invest some profits into ministry enterprises. They could also do good work, at a fair price instead of seeking profit primarily, or doing shoddy work for the same reasons. To me, it all starts with an intent to glorify God, and opportunities will arise.How does a Christian carpenter who is not doing it unto the LORD differ from a Christian carpenter who does it unto the LORD? What does it look like?
Raise godly children and serve the local church. Find the job that fits this criteria. Serve uprightly.I always appreciate your wisdom and thoughts. Maybe you can share your thoughts on this. It seems that hundreds of years ago people were basically very limited in what they were able to do with their lives, sticking with simple trades, and following in the feet of what their parents generally did.
Fast forward to our present day, and we live in a land where we can pursue almost anything we set our minds on. With such freedom and capabilities, do you think there is more opportunity for somebody to really pick out a job that fits their gifting and talents, and may have more opportunity to make an impact for the kingdom of God, and pursue that?
For example, with my business degree, I can work secluded behind a desk doing accounting work, or I can work for a non-profit adoption center, which is helping orphans find homes. As a Christian, I wonder which would contribute to more good in the world.
Thanks for sharing that!It's been awhile since I've read the puritans on this topic, but the reasoning started with Jesus serving as our high priest. No human stood between God and man and no human could be on a higher spiritual plane.
Someone with greater language skills than mine can check me on this, but I believe the medieval concept of vocation specifically meant a call to a religious order and a life "separated unto God." This calling was unavailable to the average joe who was forced to the outside to do menial work and to live in dependence upon the priests to approach God.
While the puritans certainly recognized the offices of the church, they also saw the farmer, mother, cooper, blacksmith, etc., as sovereignly called to work to God's glory and for the general good and order of their community.
An example from The Works of Thomas Shepherd:
"Seeing yourself thus working in worldly employments for him, you may easily apprehend that for that time God calls you to them and you attend upon the work of Jesus Christ in them, that you honor God as much, nay, more, by the meanest servile worldly act, than if you should have spent all that time in meditation, prayer, or any other spiritual employment, to which you had no call at that time.”
I read a great deal of the puritans in college and took comfort in this holy view of work. Many friends around me were hearing from parachurch organizations that they should seek higher "full time Christian work" and wrestled with "what is God's plan for my life," yet learned very little of God's law and the wisdom of the protestant men and women who came before us.
That is very true. Thank you.Raise godly children and serve the local church. Find the job that fits this criteria. Serve uprightly.
12 And some tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?”
13 And he said to them, “Collect no more than what you have been ordered to.”
14 Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, “And what about us, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages.”
And have a free conscience towards your job and all of life.
I thought of that too.That is very true. Thank you.
I was thinking of this passage in Corinthians. I know the context does not have to do with this, but do you think there is a principle that applies? That if we have an opportunity to seek better, then we should.
"Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.)"