which hills would you die on?

Which hills would you die on?

  • Predestination

    Votes: 54 78.3%
  • Everlasting Punishment of the wicked

    Votes: 44 63.8%
  • non-continuism (regarding charismatic gifts

    Votes: 8 11.6%
  • Continuism (REGARDING CHARISMATIC GIFTS)

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Confessionism (your creed)

    Votes: 13 18.8%
  • infant-baptism

    Votes: 14 20.3%
  • believers baptism

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • ecclesiology

    Votes: 13 18.8%
  • church government

    Votes: 11 15.9%
  • once saved always saved

    Votes: 41 59.4%

  • Total voters
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Theognome

Burrito Bill
I didn't see a poll, so I looked at your avatar and saw only a lake and not a hill. So I suppose I could die in the lake if I couldn't swim.

Theognome
 

Theognome

Burrito Bill
Ah- there's the poll. This is an easy one- none of them.

The only hill I'll defend to the last ounce of strength is Salvation through Grace in Christ alone.

Theognome
 

tdowns

Puritan Board Junior
Seems to easy....

I mean...too easy...Those choices make it too easy...in my mind...Predestined, can define God's sovereignty in ALL things....so...that's it!
 

MrMerlin777

Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I must qualify "once saved always saved" to mean Perseverance of the Saints.

Not the "easy believism" version of the doctrine.
 

ColdSilverMoon

Puritan Board Senior
Ah- there's the poll. This is an easy one- none of them.

The only hill I'll defend to the last ounce of strength is Salvation through Grace in Christ alone.

Theognome
:agree:

I would only die on the hill of something that is absolutely crucial to the Gospel. While several of those I hold dear, I don't consider any of them to be absolute essentials of the faith.
 

Prufrock

Arbitrary Moderation
Without having voted, I will say I am hitherto more than slightly disappointed. For all the rhetoric and vitriol thrown around these forums on baptism, nobody wants to make their last stand upon that hill.
 

he beholds

Puritan Board Doctor
Ah- there's the poll. This is an easy one- none of them.

The only hill I'll defend to the last ounce of strength is Salvation through Grace in Christ alone.

Theognome
:agree:

I would only die on the hill of something that is absolutely crucial to the Gospel. While several of those I hold dear, I don't consider any of them to be absolute essentials of the faith.

Essential as in: the wicked will perish but for the grace of God sovereignly electing to save them, and thus holding on to them until they reach glory? If so, I saw those three, which I think ARE the Gospel!
 

tdowns

Puritan Board Junior
I didn't look close enough....

sorry, I didn't know you could pick two...but, predestined, includes, perseverance...in my opinion.:)
 

he beholds

Puritan Board Doctor
Without having voted, I will say I am hitherto more than slightly disappointed. For all the rhetoric and vitriol thrown around these forums on baptism, nobody wants to make their last stand upon that hill.
I did! I almost didn't, because I was thinking, "Well, they can still grow up and be baptized, so maybe it isn't worth dying for," but I couldn't get past the fact that we are able to bring our infant children into God's covenant by baptizing them! So sure, someone could grow up and become baptized, but why deny him the benefits of being a part of the covenant from the very beginning of life onward?

The others I chose were:
predestination, for I think it is essential that we understand that our salvation comes from God as a gift that we cannot earn by making the right choice to accept him;

punishment of wicked, for I think it is essential that we determine exactly from what we are being saved;

and perseverance of the saints, because I think it is essential that we know that since the work is begun by God, He will finish it!
 

Jon 316

Puritan Board Sophomore
I didn't see a poll, so I looked at your avatar and saw only a lake and not a hill. So I suppose I could die in the lake if I couldn't swim.

Theognome
lol!

I'm curious about the ones who chose

Ecclesiology and church government

Which model of church and government do you think is so essential to the faith (I ask this because I think both of these are more essential than is ofetn realised.)
 

tellville

Puritan Board Junior
Ah- there's the poll. This is an easy one- none of them.

The only hill I'll defend to the last ounce of strength is Salvation through Grace in Christ alone.

Theognome
:agree:

I would only die on the hill of something that is absolutely crucial to the Gospel. While several of those I hold dear, I don't consider any of them to be absolute essentials of the faith.
:agree:

I don't think I would die on any of those hills, and I even disagree with some of them :p However, there are some that I am quite convinced of and currently do not see how I could be convinced otherwise. If that's what you mean, then there would be quite a few.
 

Romans922

Puritan Board Professor
What is meant by "Continuism (Charismatic Gifts)"? That Charismatic gifts (like speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, etc.) continue?

Personally, for me, I would die on (at least I hope I would) any hill that Scripture is very clear on. I'm going to think about what that means, and then vote.
 

Jon 316

Puritan Board Sophomore
What is meant by "Continuism (Charismatic Gifts)"? That Charismatic gifts (like speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, etc.) continue?

Personally, for me, I would die on (at least I hope I would) any hill that Scripture is very clear on. I'm going to think about what that means, and then vote.
yes, that is what that means.

So, would you really die for secondary issues?
 

Prufrock

Arbitrary Moderation
Why must a certain doctrine be, in itself, "essential" to the gospel for it to be the place where we draw the line? For instance, it is no sign of disrespect to or a doubting the sound profession of my baptist brothers to say that I would go down upon that hill to preserve the purity of the church. I love them strongly, and believe just as strongly that such is an error and the church ought to be guarded against such error, though indeed the gospel itself can still stand.

Note what Vermigli said in his dedicatory preface affixed to his Dialogue on the Two Natures of Christ, dedicated to John Jewel. The following is with regards to the ubiquitarian controversy:

Accordingly, for the sake of that most holy devotion which burns so brightly with the greatest zeal for God's pure worship, do not allow these unsound teachings (I say nothing harsher), to spread or to wander about freely in your churches.
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Every single one of us who worships Christ with a pure and sound faith should strive with hands and feet that the vineyard of the Lord should at last be purged of filth, thorns, thistles, and snakes so that it can produce rightful, sweet, and bountiful fruit for its owner...Hence it is necessary for you, along with the others who by God's choice command and steer the same ship of the church, to remain watchful lest Christ's inheritance be subverted by some new sort of error.
He surely did not consider the Lutheran ubiquitarian teachings to be essential to the gospel (he refused to call the teachings anything more than "unsound"); nor would he impugn the profession of Lutherans who held such a doctrine, but surely could love such as his brethren. But this did not mean that such was a teaching at which the line was not to be drawn: it was to be fought back boldly, lest by its thorn and thistle the pure fruit of God's church be squelched.

I mean, we're the PuritanBoard. I doubt anyone would argue that vestments are essential to the gospel, but they certainly staked it all on that hill; nor do I think they were foolish to do so.
 

Romans922

Puritan Board Professor
What is meant by "Continuism (Charismatic Gifts)"? That Charismatic gifts (like speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, etc.) continue?

Personally, for me, I would die on (at least I hope I would) any hill that Scripture is very clear on. I'm going to think about what that means, and then vote.
yes, that is what that means.

So, would you really die for secondary issues?
If someone was asking me if I believed a secondary issue (any one you pick it) that is clearly scriptural, and if I answered wrongly they'd kill me or if they told me to answer wrongly and if I don't that they'd kill me. Then I would answer always rightly. I'd rather be honest than live this earthly life.

Is this not what you mean by, "what hill would you die on?" I'd die on anything Scripture says because it is God's Word.
 

Romans922

Puritan Board Professor
Predestination - Ephesians 1 (clear in Scripture throughout) I would die for this
Everlasting Punishment of the Wicked - Everlasting Punishment/destruction (Mt. 26, 1 Thess.) I would die for this and live eternally :)
Non-Continuism - Scripture has ceased, this is clear, I would die for this
Continuism - this cannot be true, Scripture has ceased
Confessionism (your creed) - A Confession is man-made, I would not die for this, although i would fight
Infant Baptism - Gen. 17, Acts 2 - clear to me :) I would die for this
Believers Baptism (only) - Seems children were baptized in Scripture and throughout church history, this cannot be true (no offense to baptists, I wouldn't hold this over their heads, but I would die for it)
Ecclesiology - (this is too broad, I don't know what is being said here)
Church Government - Church where head is Christ, ruled by elders, 1 Timothy, Titus, Acts 6 - I would die for this truth
Once saved always saved - This has to do with salvation, if God has saved you, He will never leave you nor forsake you.
 

rgray

Puritan Board Freshman
Predestination - gets at the heart of the gospel... but I might reword it to something like "By Grace alone". The whole "Here I stand I can do no other" theme... Luther was willing to die for it.

Eternal Punishment - I voted for this... but I know strong "reformed" brothers who lean toward annihilationism... But this idea is pretty central to the idea of just punishment for sin...

perseverance of the Saints - That's the power of God to save! I'll die here
 

Jon 316

Puritan Board Sophomore
so... who are you and what are you who will die for a form of church government and ecclesiology?
 

Jim-Bob

Puritan Board Freshman
1 Corinthians 15:3

15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,..."

Would lose a job over predestination...I've seen too many non-productive discussions with the other issues....interesting poll, though! thanks
 
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