Which hymns do you sing at your church?

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:cheers2: Bring out the gnostic, heretically, sugar-coated, trashy ale for we hymn lovers.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus cried as a baby, but I don't think anyone is sinning for believing that He didn't.

My exact words Caddy: I had the same mental picture of "flaming tongues".

As for Robinson, every Christian is prone to wander. Some go further than others. Yet, they have the ability to obey God.
 
This may be what it means *to you* but to me it means sung by the human torch. ;) How can you and I worship in spirit and truth when these phrases don't come from the Holy Spirit and are not the [absolute] truth?

Sung by "flaming toungues". :um: The imagination of man is a remarkable thing.

uhh...s'cuse me - just noticed this thread:

Acts 2:3
And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.

I believe that is where the phrase originated.

If you need additional clarification, let me know.

...and it is one of my favorite hymns, too.
 
Unfortunately, I see no other way of interpreting this thread than that Chris had every intention of maligning those who don't agree with his view.

seems that way - strawmen and all...

And can it be that I should gain
An interest in the Savior’s blood?
Died He for me, who caused His pain—
For me, who Him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

’Tis mystery all: th’Immortal dies:
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love divine.
’Tis mercy all! Let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more.
’Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;
Let angel minds inquire no more.

He left His Father’s throne above
So free, so infinite His grace—
Emptied Himself of all but love,
And bled for Adam’s helpless race:
’Tis mercy all, immense and free,
For O my God, it found out me!
’Tis mercy all, immense and free,
For O my God, it found out me!

Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
Fast bound in sin and nature’s night;
Thine eye diffused a quickening ray—
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.

Still the small inward voice I hear,
That whispers all my sins forgiven;
Still the atoning blood is near,
That quenched the wrath of hostile Heaven.
I feel the life His wounds impart;
I feel the Savior in my heart.
I feel the life His wounds impart;
I feel the Savior in my heart.

No condemnation now I dread;
Jesus, and all in Him, is mine;
Alive in Him, my living Head,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.
 
seems that way - strawmen and all...

Ignoring the ever present EP attacks,

Original Trinity Hymnal, #439
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness
My beauty are, my glorious dress;
'Midst flaming worlds, in these arrayed,
With joy shall I lift up my head.

Bold shall I stand in thy great day;
For who aught to my charge shall lay?
Fully absolved through these I am
From sin and fear, from guilt and shame.

When from the dust of death I rise
To claim my mansion in the skies,
Ev'n then this shall be all my plea,
Jesus hath lived, hath died, for me.

Jesus, be endless praise to thee,
Whose boundless mercy hath for me—
For me a full atonement made,
An everlasting ransom paid.

O let the dead now hear thy voice;
Now bid thy banished ones rejoice;
Their beauty this, their glorious dress,
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #105
Psalm 148:1-13

Hallelujah, praise Jehovah,
From the heavens praise his Name;
Praise Jehovah in the highest,
All his angels, praise proclaim.
All his hosts, together praise him,
Sun and moon and stars on high;
Praise him, O ye heav'ns of heavens,
And ye floods above the sky.

Let them praises give Jehovah,
For his name alone is high,
And his glory is exalted,
And his glory is exalted,
And his glory is exalted,
Far above the earth and sky.

Let them praises give Jehovah,
They were made at his command;
Them for ever he established,
His decree shall ever stand.
From the earth, O praise Jehovah,
All ye seas, ye monsters all,
Fire and hail and snow and vapors,
Stormy winds that hear his call.

All ye fruitful trees and cedars,
All ye hills and mountains high;
Creeping things and beasts and cattle,
Birds that in the heavens fly,
Kings of earth, and all ye people,
Princes great, earth's judges all;
Praise his Name, young men and maidens,
Aged men, and children small.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #501

Guide me, O thou great Jehovah,
Pilgrim through this barren land;
I am weak, but thou art mighty;
Hold me with thy pow'rful hand;
Bread of heaven, Bread of heaven,
Feed me till I want no more.

Open now the crystal fountain,
Whence the healing stream doth flow;
Let the fire and cloudy pillar
Lead me all my journey through;
Strong Deliverer, strong Deliverer,
Be thou still my Strength and Shield.

When I tread the verge of Jordan,
Bid my anxious fears subside;
Death of death, and hell's Destruction,
Land me safe on Canaan's side;
Songs of praises, songs of praises
I will ever give to thee.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #271

How sweet and awful is the place
With Christ within the doors,
While everlasting love displays
The choicest of her stores.

While all our hearts and all our songs
Join to admire the feast,
Each of us cry, with thankful tongues,
"Lord, why was I a guest?

"Why was I made to hear thy voice,
And enter while there's room,
When thousands make a wretched choice,
And rather starve than come?"

'Twas the same love that spread the feast
That sweetly drew us in;
Else we had still refused to taste,
And perished in our sin.

Pity the nations, O our God,
Constrain the earth to come;
Send thy victorious Word abroad,
And bring the strangers home.

We long to see thy churches full,
That all the chosen race
May, with one voice and heart and soul,
Sing thy redeeming grace.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #269

Glorious things of thee are spoken,
Zion, city of our God;
He whose word cannot be broken
Formed thee for his own abode:
On the Rock of Ages founded,
What can shake thy sure repose?
With salvation's walls surrounded,
Thou may'st smile at all thy foes.

See the streams of living waters,
Springing from eternal love,
Well supply thy sons and daughters,
And all fear of want remove;
Who can faint, while such a river
Ever flows their thirst t'assuage?
Grace which, like the Lord, the giver,
Never fails from age to age.

Round each habitation hov'ring,
See the cloud and fire appear
For a glory and a cov'ring,
Showing that the Lord is near:
Thus deriving from their banner
Light by night and shade by day,
Safe they feed upon the manna
Which he gives them when they pray.

Saviour, if of Zion's city
I, through grace, a member am,
Let the world deride or pity,
I will glory in thy Name:
Fading is the worldling's pleasure,
All his boasted pomp and show;
Solid joys and lasting treasure
None but Zion's children know.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #94

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Holy his will abideth;
I will be still whate'er he doth;
And follow where he guideth:
He is my God: though dark my road,
He holds me that I shall not fall:
Wherefore to him I leave it all.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
He never will deceive me;
He leads me by the proper path;
I know he will not leave me:
I take, content, what he hath sent;
His hand can turn my griefs away,
And patiently I wait his day.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Though now this cup, in drinking,
May bitter seem to my faint heart,
I take it, all unshrinking:
My God is true; each morn anew
Sweet comfort yet shall fill my heart,
And pain and sorrow shall depart.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Here shall my stand be taken;
Though sorrow, need, or death be mine,
Yet am I not forsaken;
My Father's care is round me there;
He holds me that I shall not fall:
And so to him I leave it all.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #127

Let us love, and sing, and wonder,
Let us praise the Saviour's name!
He has hushed the law's loud thunder,
He has quenched Mount Sinai's flame;
He has washed us with his blood,
He has brought us nigh to God.

Let us love the Lord who bought us,
Pitied us when enemies,
Called us by his grace, and taught us,
Gave us ears and gave us eyes:
He has washed us with his blood,
He presents our souls to God.

Let us sing, though fierce temptation
Threaten hard to bear us down!
For the Lord, our strong salvation,
Holds in view the conqueror's crown,
He who washed us with his blood,
Soon will bring us home to God.

Let us wonder; grace and justice
Join, and point to mercy's store;
When through grace in Christ our trust is,
Justice smiles, and asks no more:
He who washed us with his blood,
Has secured our way to God.

Let us praise, and join the chorus
Of the saints enthroned on high;
Here they trusted him before us,
Now their praises fill the sky:
"Thou hast washed us with thy blood;
Thou art worthy, Lamb of God!"
 
One of my favorite "doctrine hymns"

Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee;
Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty!
God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity!

Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore Thee,
Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
Cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee,
Who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

Holy, holy, holy! though the darkness hide Thee,
Though the eye of sinful man Thy glory may not see;
Only Thou art holy; there is none beside Thee,
Perfect in power, in love, and purity.

Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
All Thy works shall praise Thy Name, in earth, and sky, and sea;
Holy, holy, holy; merciful and mighty!
God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity!
 
Fred,

When you mention the "original" Trinity Hymnal, I assume you're talking about "Ol' Blue"?
 
and I love the exuberant "worship of the nations" theme of this:

It’s the song of the redeemed
Rising from the African plain
It’s the song of the forgiven
Drowning out the Amazon rain
The song of Asian believers
Filled with God’s holy fire
It’s every tribe, every tongue, every nation
A love song born of a grateful choir

It’s all God’s children singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns
It’s all God’s children singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns

Let it rise about the four winds
Caught up in the heavenly sound
Let praises echo from the towers of cathedrals
To the faithful gathered underground
Of all the songs sung from the dawn of creation
Some were meant to persist
Of all the bells rung from a thousand steeples
None rings truer than this

And all the powers of darkness
Tremble at what they’ve just heard
‘Cause all the powers of darkness
Can’t drown out a single word

When all God’s children sing out
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns
All God’s people singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns
 
You all have posted some really good ones, but I don't think I have seen my very favorite (Be Thou My Vision is one of my favorites). I would say that the music in the Trinity Hymnal isn't near as good as it could be. At least, the musically reworked versions we sing seem much better.
Stricken, smitten, and afflicted,
See Him dying on the tree!
’Tis the Christ by man rejected;
Yes, my soul, ’tis He, ’tis He!
’Tis the long expected prophet,
David’s Son, yet David’s Lord;
Proofs I see sufficient of it:
’Tis a true and faithful Word.

Tell me, ye who hear Him groaning,
Was there ever grief like His?
Friends through fear His cause disowning,
Foes insulting his distress:
Many hands were raised to wound Him,
None would interpose to save;
But the deepest stroke that pierced Him
Was the stroke that Justice gave.

Ye who think of sin but lightly,
Nor suppose the evil great,
Here may view its nature rightly,
Here its guilt may estimate.
Mark the Sacrifice appointed!
See Who bears the awful load!
’Tis the Word, the Lord’s Anointed,
Son of Man, and Son of God.

Here we have a firm foundation,
Here the refuge of the lost.
Christ the Rock of our salvation,
Christ the Name of which we boast.
Lamb of God for sinners wounded!
Sacrifice to cancel guilt!
None shall ever be confounded
Who on Him their hope have built.

There there is the Thomas Tallis evening hymn; simple, beautiful, and sound. I mention this only because it is wonderful and more uncommon. Sung with the tune of the Doxology.

All praise to Thee, my God, this night,
For all the blessings of the light;
Keep me, O keep me, King of kings,
Beneath Thine own almighty wings.

Forgive me, Lord, for Thy dear Son,
The ill that I this day have done,
That with the world, myself, and Thee,
I, ere I sleep, at peace may be.

Teach me to live, that I may dread
The grave as little as my bed;
Teach me to die, that so I may
Rise glorious at the awful day.

O may my soul on Thee repose,
And with sweet sleep mine eyelids close;
Sleep that may me more vigorous make
To serve my God when I awake.

When in the night I sleepless lie,
My soul with heavenly thoughts supply;
Let no ill dreams disturb my rest,
No powers of darkness me molest.

O when shall I, in endless day,
For ever chase dark sleep away,
And hymns with the supernal choir
Incessant sing, and never tire!

Praise God from whom all blessings flow;
Praise him, all creatures here below;
Praise him above, ye heavn'ly host;
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
 
Ignoring the ever present EP attacks,

Original Trinity Hymnal, #439
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness
My beauty are, my glorious dress;
'Midst flaming worlds, in these arrayed,
With joy shall I lift up my head.

Bold shall I stand in thy great day;
For who aught to my charge shall lay?
Fully absolved through these I am
From sin and fear, from guilt and shame.

When from the dust of death I rise
To claim my mansion in the skies,
Ev'n then this shall be all my plea,
Jesus hath lived, hath died, for me.

Jesus, be endless praise to thee,
Whose boundless mercy hath for me—
For me a full atonement made,
An everlasting ransom paid.

O let the dead now hear thy voice;
Now bid thy banished ones rejoice;
Their beauty this, their glorious dress,
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #105
Psalm 148:1-13

Hallelujah, praise Jehovah,
From the heavens praise his Name;
Praise Jehovah in the highest,
All his angels, praise proclaim.
All his hosts, together praise him,
Sun and moon and stars on high;
Praise him, O ye heav'ns of heavens,
And ye floods above the sky.

Let them praises give Jehovah,
For his name alone is high,
And his glory is exalted,
And his glory is exalted,
And his glory is exalted,
Far above the earth and sky.

Let them praises give Jehovah,
They were made at his command;
Them for ever he established,
His decree shall ever stand.
From the earth, O praise Jehovah,
All ye seas, ye monsters all,
Fire and hail and snow and vapors,
Stormy winds that hear his call.

All ye fruitful trees and cedars,
All ye hills and mountains high;
Creeping things and beasts and cattle,
Birds that in the heavens fly,
Kings of earth, and all ye people,
Princes great, earth's judges all;
Praise his Name, young men and maidens,
Aged men, and children small.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #501

Guide me, O thou great Jehovah,
Pilgrim through this barren land;
I am weak, but thou art mighty;
Hold me with thy pow'rful hand;
Bread of heaven, Bread of heaven,
Feed me till I want no more.

Open now the crystal fountain,
Whence the healing stream doth flow;
Let the fire and cloudy pillar
Lead me all my journey through;
Strong Deliverer, strong Deliverer,
Be thou still my Strength and Shield.

When I tread the verge of Jordan,
Bid my anxious fears subside;
Death of death, and hell's Destruction,
Land me safe on Canaan's side;
Songs of praises, songs of praises
I will ever give to thee.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #271

How sweet and awful is the place
With Christ within the doors,
While everlasting love displays
The choicest of her stores.

While all our hearts and all our songs
Join to admire the feast,
Each of us cry, with thankful tongues,
"Lord, why was I a guest?

"Why was I made to hear thy voice,
And enter while there's room,
When thousands make a wretched choice,
And rather starve than come?"

'Twas the same love that spread the feast
That sweetly drew us in;
Else we had still refused to taste,
And perished in our sin.

Pity the nations, O our God,
Constrain the earth to come;
Send thy victorious Word abroad,
And bring the strangers home.

We long to see thy churches full,
That all the chosen race
May, with one voice and heart and soul,
Sing thy redeeming grace.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #269

Glorious things of thee are spoken,
Zion, city of our God;
He whose word cannot be broken
Formed thee for his own abode:
On the Rock of Ages founded,
What can shake thy sure repose?
With salvation's walls surrounded,
Thou may'st smile at all thy foes.

See the streams of living waters,
Springing from eternal love,
Well supply thy sons and daughters,
And all fear of want remove;
Who can faint, while such a river
Ever flows their thirst t'assuage?
Grace which, like the Lord, the giver,
Never fails from age to age.

Round each habitation hov'ring,
See the cloud and fire appear
For a glory and a cov'ring,
Showing that the Lord is near:
Thus deriving from their banner
Light by night and shade by day,
Safe they feed upon the manna
Which he gives them when they pray.

Saviour, if of Zion's city
I, through grace, a member am,
Let the world deride or pity,
I will glory in thy Name:
Fading is the worldling's pleasure,
All his boasted pomp and show;
Solid joys and lasting treasure
None but Zion's children know.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #94

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Holy his will abideth;
I will be still whate'er he doth;
And follow where he guideth:
He is my God: though dark my road,
He holds me that I shall not fall:
Wherefore to him I leave it all.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
He never will deceive me;
He leads me by the proper path;
I know he will not leave me:
I take, content, what he hath sent;
His hand can turn my griefs away,
And patiently I wait his day.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Though now this cup, in drinking,
May bitter seem to my faint heart,
I take it, all unshrinking:
My God is true; each morn anew
Sweet comfort yet shall fill my heart,
And pain and sorrow shall depart.

Whate'er my God ordains is right:
Here shall my stand be taken;
Though sorrow, need, or death be mine,
Yet am I not forsaken;
My Father's care is round me there;
He holds me that I shall not fall:
And so to him I leave it all.


Original Trinity Hymnal, #127

Let us love, and sing, and wonder,
Let us praise the Saviour's name!
He has hushed the law's loud thunder,
He has quenched Mount Sinai's flame;
He has washed us with his blood,
He has brought us nigh to God.

Let us love the Lord who bought us,
Pitied us when enemies,
Called us by his grace, and taught us,
Gave us ears and gave us eyes:
He has washed us with his blood,
He presents our souls to God.

Let us sing, though fierce temptation
Threaten hard to bear us down!
For the Lord, our strong salvation,
Holds in view the conqueror's crown,
He who washed us with his blood,
Soon will bring us home to God.

Let us wonder; grace and justice
Join, and point to mercy's store;
When through grace in Christ our trust is,
Justice smiles, and asks no more:
He who washed us with his blood,
Has secured our way to God.

Let us praise, and join the chorus
Of the saints enthroned on high;
Here they trusted him before us,
Now their praises fill the sky:
"Thou hast washed us with thy blood;
Thou art worthy, Lamb of God!"
That's just good stuff!:2cents:
 
posted by magnum:This may be what it means *to you* but to me it means sung by the human torch. How can you and I worship in spirit and truth when these phrases don't come from the Holy Spirit and are not the [absolute] truth?

Sung by "flaming toungues". The imagination of man is a remarkable thing.

Magnum - first, do you genuinely believe that "flaming tongues" refers to a human torch? If not, then you defeat your own argument. If you do, I'd love to get your exegesis on Matt 16:18...perhaps Jesus was really referring to a large boulder on which he wanted to build a fellowship hall.

Second, and more importantly, Scripture cannot be fully and completely comprehended by the church nor agreed upon at every point between believers...the mere presence of the EP debate proves that...therefore, we don't all of a sudden enter some mystical union of complete and oneness in understanding because we sing the Psalms exclusively rather than the Psalms and other hymns.
 
Many hymns are flawed to varying degrees because they were written by imperfect, sinful men. So are many of the prayers and sermons given by pastors in even the most reformed church. Why is one a problem and not the other?

I mentioned in the other thread that in the end EP comes down to whether or not God has commanded it. All this discussion about the superiority of the psalms to hymns, or vice versa is, I think, besides the point.

:2cents:
 
We don't sing this at church, but I always liked 'When Thou My Righteous Judge Shall Come'.
 
This is an old thread, but since I love talking about favorite hymns, I'll resurrect it.

In Christ Alone
In Christ alone my hope is found;
He is my light, my strength, my song;
This cornerstone, this solid ground,
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My comforter, my all in all—
Here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone, Who took on flesh,
Fullness of God in helpless babe!
This gift of love and righteousness,
Scorned by the ones He came to save.
Till on that cross as Jesus died,
The wrath of God was satisfied;
For ev'ry sin on Him was laid—
Here in the death of Christ I live.

There in the ground His body lay,
Light of the world by darkness slain;
Then bursting forth in glorious day,
Up from the grave He rose again!
And as He stands in victory,
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me;
For I am His and He is mine—
Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

No guilt in life, no fear in death—
This is the pow'r of Christ in me;
From life's first cry to final breath,
Jesus commands my destiny.
No pow'r of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home—
Here in the pow'r of Christ I'll stand.

Mercy Speaks By Jesus' Blood
Mercy speaks by Jesus' blood
Hear and sing, ye sons of God
Justice satisfied indeed
Christ has full atonement made

Jesus' blood speaks loud and sweet
Here, all deity and meet
And without a jarring voice
Welcome Zion to rejoice
Welcome Zion to rejoice

"All her debts were cast on Me
And she must and shall go free
All her debts were case on Me
And she must and shall go free."


Peace of conscience, peace with God
We obtain through Jesus' blood
Jesus' blood speaks solid rest
We believe and we are blessed
We believe and we are blessed

"All her debts were cast on Me
And she must and shall go free
All her debts were case on Me
And she must and shall go free."


Should the Law against her roar
Jesus' blood still speaks with power
"All her debts were cast on Me
And she must and shall go free"

Thy Mercy, My God
Thy mercy, my God, is the theme of my song
The joy of my heart and the boast of my tongue
Thy free grace, alone, from the first to the last
Has won my affection and bound my soul fast

Without thy sweet mercy I could not live here
Sin would reduce me to utter despair
But through thy free goodness, my spirit's revived
And he that first made me still keeps me alive

Thy mercy is more than a match for my heart
Which wanders to feel its own hardness depart
Dissolved by thy goodness, I fall to the ground
And weep for the praise of the mercy I've found

Great Father of mercy, thy goodness I own
In the covenant love of thy crucified Son
All praise to the Spirit, whose whisper divine
Seals mercy, and pardon, and righteousness mine!

The first one, we actually don't sing in our church just yet, but I hope to get it into the rotation. A few others previously mentioned are favorites as well (especially Not What My Hands Have Done, though sung in a different tune.)
 
This is an old thread, but since I love talking about favorite hymns, I'll resurrect it.
Nice lyrics. They're all new to me - I'll have to google and see if I can fine their tunes. In the meantime, can you hum a couple bars for me?
 
The Psalms are Superior because they are Scriptures.. They are the WORDs of Christ themselves. They Are HOLY WORDS. They are without Flaw. And we sing HIS Words back to HIM. We are also Letting "the words of Christ dwell in us richly".

No matter how someone writes a hymn is it always flawed because it is written by sinful men.. But the Psalms are Written By Christ himself and are about himself. they are Canon.

My question was to the uninspired song camp. Some believe the Psalms are incomplete. I wanted to know how one could possibly describe God's songs this way.

OK, not to get into an EP debate... Let me start by saying that I have begun adding Psalms from the various Psalters into our current worship service and find it very enriching. Amazing how doing something God commands is enriching!

BUT, do those who believe in EP actually believe that the Psalter from 1562/1564/1640/1650/1696/or any other year is the inspired Word of God? I think to be consistent on this, you would have to drop "metrical psalters" and sing whatever literal translation you chose, whether KJV, ESV, etc. The metrical psalters take the words of the Psalms and re-write them to make them poetic. I know they try to get as "close" to the original meaning as possible, but they, too, are the words of men (just like our confessions).
 
This is an old thread, but since I love talking about favorite hymns, I'll resurrect it.
Nice lyrics. They're all new to me - I'll have to google and see if I can fine their tunes. In the meantime, can you hum a couple bars for me?

:lol:

Check out RUF Hymnbook Online Hymn Resource for the last two I listed. The first is from Sovereign Grace Music.

Both of those sources are great! I use them often in our worship service.
 
New Psalters are far more Superior in translation then the older Psalters though I am still amazed at the tunes in the Genevan Psalter..... Book of Psalms for Singing is updated very frequently for the best translation into english and the Trinity Psalter is good too... There is a BIG difference between a translation like the book of psalms for singing and the Trinity Psalter then a psalm paraphrase.........

My question for you since you asked about Psalms is that do you read the bible in hebrew and greek when you preach or from a translation.... A translation is still the perfect word of God translated into our common language.....



As per "In Christ Alone" hymn, I think it is weak, and nothing more then a catchy praise chorus that is from the charismatic movement... I can not stand that song........

Michael


The Psalms are Superior because they are Scriptures.. They are the WORDs of Christ themselves. They Are HOLY WORDS. They are without Flaw. And we sing HIS Words back to HIM. We are also Letting "the words of Christ dwell in us richly".

No matter how someone writes a hymn is it always flawed because it is written by sinful men.. But the Psalms are Written By Christ himself and are about himself. they are Canon.

My question was to the uninspired song camp. Some believe the Psalms are incomplete. I wanted to know how one could possibly describe God's songs this way.

OK, not to get into an EP debate... Let me start by saying that I have begun adding Psalms from the various Psalters into our current worship service and find it very enriching. Amazing how doing something God commands is enriching!

BUT, do those who believe in EP actually believe that the Psalter from 1562/1564/1640/1650/1696/or any other year is the inspired Word of God? I think to be consistent on this, you would have to drop "metrical psalters" and sing whatever literal translation you chose, whether KJV, ESV, etc. The metrical psalters take the words of the Psalms and re-write them to make them poetic. I know they try to get as "close" to the original meaning as possible, but they, too, are the words of men (just like our confessions).
 
New Psalters are far more Superior in translation then the older Psalters though I am still amazed at the tunes in the Genevan Psalter..... Book of Psalms for Singing is updated very frequently for the best translation into english and the Trinity Psalter is good too... There is a BIG difference between a translation like the book of psalms for singing and the Trinity Psalter then a psalm paraphrase.........

My question for you since you asked about Psalms is that do you read the bible in hebrew and greek when you preach or from a translation.... A translation is still the perfect word of God translated into our common language.....

That's why I asked about singing the Psalms in the KJV or whatever translation compared with the Psalters. I have been to this site and like the Psalters, but they all seem to take some poetic license. This does not appear to be translation. If it is not, then my question was, how can you claim it is the Word of God any more than great hymns of the faith that have the theology of the Bible in them?
 
I'm not coming near the EP debate with a ten-foot pole, so . . . another couple of favorites that we sing.

Pensive, Doubting, Fearful Heart
Pensive, doubting, fearful heart,
Hear what Christ the Saviour says;
Every word should joy impart,
Change thy mourning into praise:
Yes, he speaks, and speaks to thee,
May he help thee to believe!
Then thou presently will see,
Thou hast little cause to grieve.

Fear thou not, nor be ashamed,
All thy sorrows soon shall end
I who heav’n and earth have framed,
Am thy husband and thy friend
I the High and Holy One,
Israel’s God by all adored;
As thy Saviour will be known,
Thy Redeemer and thy Lord.

For a moment I withdrew,
And thy heart was filled with pain;
But my mercies I’ll renew,
Thou shalt soon rejoice again:
Though I seem to hide my face,
Very soon my wrath shall cease;
‘Tis but for a moment’s space,
Ending in eternal peace.

Though afflicted, tempest-tossed,
Comfortless awhile thou art,
Do not think thou canst be lost,
Thou art graven on my heart
All thy wastes I will repair,
Thou shalt be rebuilt anew;
And in thee it shall appear,
What the God of love can do.

Hark, The Voice of Love and Mercy
Hark, the voice of love and mercy
Sounds aloud from Calvary
See, it rends the rocks asunder
Shakes the earth and veils the sky
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Hear the dying savior cry
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Hear the dying savior cry

"It is finished!" O what pleasures
Do these charming words afford
Heavenly blessing without measure
Flows to us from Christ the Lord
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Saints, the dying words, record
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Saints, the dying words, record

Finished, all the types and shadows
Of the ceremonial law
Finished, all that God had promised
Death and Hell no more shall awe
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Saints, from hence your comfort draw
"It is finished! It is finished!"
Saints, from hence your comfort draw

Tune your harps anew, ye seraphs
Join to sing the pleasing theme
Saints on earth and all in Heaven
Join to praise Emmanuel's name
"Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"
Glory to the bleeding Lamb!
"Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"
Glory to the bleeding Lamb!
 
Oh I been to that site.... To compare Psalm translations.... I think even a bad Psalm paraphrase is better then no psalms at all or to replace them with hymns.. But I prefer the Book of Psalms for Singing and the Trinity Psalter to those other Psalters any day... They try to get to the hebrew in the closest way, just like a bible translation..... And if you want scores to sing alone then the book of psalms for singing beats all hands down....

As for poetic license, even all bible translations do that... Even the mightly KJV which is still copyrighted in England under the Queens purse......

New Psalters are far more Superior in translation then the older Psalters though I am still amazed at the tunes in the Genevan Psalter..... Book of Psalms for Singing is updated very frequently for the best translation into english and the Trinity Psalter is good too... There is a BIG difference between a translation like the book of psalms for singing and the Trinity Psalter then a psalm paraphrase.........

My question for you since you asked about Psalms is that do you read the bible in hebrew and greek when you preach or from a translation.... A translation is still the perfect word of God translated into our common language.....

That's why I asked about singing the Psalms in the KJV or whatever translation compared with the Psalters. I have been to this site and like the Psalters, but they all seem to take some poetic license. This does not appear to be translation. If it is not, then my question was, how can you claim it is the Word of God any more than great hymns of the faith that have the theology of the Bible in them?
 
Oh I been to that site.... To compare Psalm translations.... I think even a bad Psalm paraphrase is better then no psalms at all or to replace them with hymns.. But I prefer the Book of Psalms for Singing and the Trinity Psalter to those other Psalters any day... They try to get to the hebrew in the closest way, just like a bible translation..... And if you want scores to sing alone then the book of psalms for singing beats all hands down....

As for poetic license, even all bible translations do that... Even the mightly KJV which is still copyrighted in England under the Queens purse......

I'll have to look at those two. I honestly have only seen this website and haven't looked at anything else.
 
Agnus Dei

Alleluia Alleluia
For our Lord God Almighty reigns
Alleluia Alleluia
For our Lord God Almighty reigns
Alleluia

Holy Holy
Are You Lord God Almighty
Worthy is the Lamb
Worthy is the Lamb
You are Holy
Holy
Are You Lord God Almighty
Worthy is the Lamb
Worthy is the Lamb
Amen
 
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