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Discussion in 'Apologetical Methods' started by sotzo, Mar 3, 2007.
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Thank you, Pastor Klein; I did see your posts but I didn't agree with the premise: an amputation is a blessing.
Certainly it can be for many circumstances, but there are also things like car accidents, explosions, birth defects, war casualties, etc. in which a limb missing is not a good thing.
I appreciate your perspective, but it seems to only address the specific cases in which an amputation is better than the alternative.
If we could presuppose that missing a limb is bad and needs correction, what would your response be? Should we pray for this, and believe in this?
I am not a medical professional so I don't know for sure, but I believe amputations are done only when someone is in a life-threatening situation. A man has been in a car accident, explosion, war etc. and is blooding from a limb so profusely that death is nigh. This man needs healing or he is going to die! People pray that the Lord will heal him and God provides a surgeon that can heal him of his life-threatening condition by way of amputation. Is not the amputation a form of healing?
As far as birth defects go, I was not aware that amputations were done in those cases, but I am sure they are only done when someone's very life is in danger.
I want to clarify that my argument is not with alwaysreforming, but with those whose argument is presented in the OP. I think it is a bad argument.
However, just because I think it is a bad argument does not mean I do not care for those with amputations. Nor do I think we should not pray for healing. Nor do I think that it is beyond the capablity of God to heal people...
There was an early statement with which I would like to concur, the Gospels do not tell us of all miracles which took place in our Lord's incarnation, it is possible that such a thing happened (is anything to hard for the Lord) John expressly tell us that not all of the Lord's doings were written. He could have.....He still could if he saw fit. We embrace this when we embrace the fact that God is All-Powerful, and God is Loving.
Okay, if you want a direct answer:
No, if I got a leg cut off, I would not pray for my leg to come back. The same with a pinky finger or hand. It's gone. I would pray that I learn to cope - knowing that in the resurrection to come this body will be rasied up too.
We could be talking past each other here, but I'm specifically trying to rule out "amputations" per se, and only talking about limbs missing due to other circumstances (not surgeries or other medical procedures). Let's just say a baby is born w/o an arm.... could we pray for an arm to be miraculously provided?
If not, why not? How then shall a mountain be moved, as Jesus said? And why then shall we pray for cancer? If it takes a miracle for cancer to disappear, then why not a similar miracle for an arm to appear?
If you would not pray for a limb to appear, is it because you do not think miracles are possible?
(By the way, these are not "leading questions" so that I may hurl some sort of argument back at you, or trap you in an answer. I'm seriously trying to sort this issue out... it seems rather important, and I don't want to wrestle in prayer over the wrong things. If you don't find it too tedious to do so, I'd like to dialogue a little more about this...I've never considered this issue before, and its really confusing me about what I truly believe.)
What did Stonewall Jackson do after he lost his arm? He knew it was in God's plan for him and took it like a man.
I get what you mean... I have a friend whose baby was born with a condition that I won't attempt to spell. He has all his limbs but cannot use them properly. How do you pray for something like that? John 9. The blind man ws born blind for the sole purpose of showing God's glory. That is what we pray... That God will show his glory. As Trevor said, learning to cope with a condition like that shows as much glory to God as a healing does... in fact, maybe more so. I guess I would have to go along with Trevor and assume that babies are born exactly as God intended and then proceed to pray that baby would grow up to glorify our Father in heaven.
However, I would not condemn someone who did pray for a new limb for a baby born without one.
I am actually becoming depressed with this whole thread because of my friend's baby. If any of you would like to pray for him, his name is Lance.
I think you've highlighted why the discussion of this issue is not just an apologetics "nice-to-have". Having confidence in prayer is vital to the life of the Church and individual believers life...at the heart of my original post is a confession of my weak prayer life due to not believing/confusion on what we are to believe God will do.
I will pray for Lance. May the Church be of comfort to this family.
The Lord has already used Lance to establish a relationship with Lance's father.