"But Repentance, Prayer, and Charity mitigate the severity of the Decree" (Unetanneh Tokef, a Jewish Piyyut)
This line out of a Piyyut sung by rabbinical Jews on the Jewish new year, which begins the Ten Days of Repentance before the Day of Attonement, summarises the main premise of Rabbinical soteriology - the one that needs to be dismissed to prove the necessity of the attonement - rather well.
The purpose of this thread is to brainstorm rebuttals out of the old testament.
I'll go first:
Prayer is Insufficient
And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. (Isaiah 1:15)
Repentance is insufficient
Pharoe said, "and bless me also" (ex. 12:32), but he and his hosts sank as lead in the mighty waters.
Israel mourned greatly and said: "Lo, we be here, and will go up unto the place which the Lord hath promised: for we have sinned" (num. 14:40), but Moses said, "it shall not prosper. Go not up, for the Lord is not among you" (v. 41-42), and they were smitten and discomfitted unto Horma.
Psalm 145, sung in the Jewish daily morning liturgy, says: "The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth." (v. 18). In other words, one can call upon Him in untruth, and it won't suffice.
Charity
The Hebrew word here is tsedaqa (צדקה), and can mean both almsgiving and rightousness (but not love, unlike English), usually meaning the latter in scripture but coming to mean the former more and more often in later texts. In this Piyyut it means almsgiving.
God cannot be bribed, I think this is obvious.
Psalm 49 helps us if we thought otherwise:
"None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever)" (v. 7-8)
But let's challenge ourselves by steelmanning their position and bringing up the money that had to be paid when counting the people, as laid out in Exodus 30:12-16, because I don't know how I'd answer that counterexample.
Possitively, for the necessity of the attonement
The sacrificial system of Leviticus, the laying of hands on each sacrifice, Isaiah 53.
I feel like these rebuttals could use some streangthening, and there are probably ones that are obvious to others here, but which I did not think about. So please, help me out here.
This line out of a Piyyut sung by rabbinical Jews on the Jewish new year, which begins the Ten Days of Repentance before the Day of Attonement, summarises the main premise of Rabbinical soteriology - the one that needs to be dismissed to prove the necessity of the attonement - rather well.
The purpose of this thread is to brainstorm rebuttals out of the old testament.
I'll go first:
Prayer is Insufficient
And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. (Isaiah 1:15)
Repentance is insufficient
Pharoe said, "and bless me also" (ex. 12:32), but he and his hosts sank as lead in the mighty waters.
Israel mourned greatly and said: "Lo, we be here, and will go up unto the place which the Lord hath promised: for we have sinned" (num. 14:40), but Moses said, "it shall not prosper. Go not up, for the Lord is not among you" (v. 41-42), and they were smitten and discomfitted unto Horma.
Psalm 145, sung in the Jewish daily morning liturgy, says: "The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth." (v. 18). In other words, one can call upon Him in untruth, and it won't suffice.
Charity
The Hebrew word here is tsedaqa (צדקה), and can mean both almsgiving and rightousness (but not love, unlike English), usually meaning the latter in scripture but coming to mean the former more and more often in later texts. In this Piyyut it means almsgiving.
God cannot be bribed, I think this is obvious.
Psalm 49 helps us if we thought otherwise:
"None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever)" (v. 7-8)
But let's challenge ourselves by steelmanning their position and bringing up the money that had to be paid when counting the people, as laid out in Exodus 30:12-16, because I don't know how I'd answer that counterexample.
Possitively, for the necessity of the attonement
The sacrificial system of Leviticus, the laying of hands on each sacrifice, Isaiah 53.
I feel like these rebuttals could use some streangthening, and there are probably ones that are obvious to others here, but which I did not think about. So please, help me out here.
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