Why Some Are Attracted to the Federal Vision?

Discussion in 'Federal Vision/New Perspectives' started by NaphtaliPress, Jan 10, 2007.

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  1. Apologia

    Apologia Puritan Board Freshman

    And again, you didn't ask me any questions, you asked Doug Wilson questions, right? So help me out, in the three paragraphs you wrote to me (which I quoted all three in my response), where did you ask me a question that I did not answer? :think:
  2. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    I guess I just don't understand, after 4 years, why you wonder the questions are being asked. Of course their answers seem legitimate, logical, and biblical if you've only read what they wrote.

    I'll be honest with you, I've liked Doug Wilson's work for a long time. He always seems reasonable and winsome. In order to understand why people keep asking questions that (in your perception) he seems to put away so easily, you have to take some time to understand the position of the people making the claims. Your qualified questions to me lead me to believe that you hadn't taken the time to really read or understand the opponents of the FV or your questions would be much more nuanced. I certainly wouldn't expect a question like: Well what about Judas? As if no Reformed critic of the FV has ever answered that question before.

    I'm a busy man too so I should be more gentle and forebearing. I apologize. I don't think some of the abuse you took here is warranted. Thank you for asking my questions. I apologize for misreading that you had not asked them.

    I would just urge you to become better informed on what the issues are and don't just listen to the responses. Believe me you, I know better than you can possibly imagine, why this is popular. I have dear friends that believe this and I might well be on the other side cheering against the mean Presbyterians and especially that mean guy at Westminster SoCal if I hadn't taken some time to ask some fundamental questions and get to the heart of what the objection is.

    I understand the board is large. I gave you two threads that can orient you pretty quickly on the issue. It will take you less than two hours to read them. Read them carefully and reflect on them. They were, for me, a full awakening to the FV and what the danger of its implications are. You may not walk away as convinced as I but you ought to walk away with a better understand of the nature of the questions. That way if Doug Wilson begins to answer the questions using the same words but doesn't go to the heart of what the question really is then you'll be better equipped to follow up with what I'm really asking.

    Please also pass my regards on to Pastor Wilson. I still hold him in some esteem and enjoyed his series on child rearing. He was in the Navy and I respect his service and some of his very real wisdom in some matters. I really wish he could see how devastating this movement has been so far and even how much more devastation it could wreak and I pray he will not see the questions as pointless attacks but earnest pleas that we believe that the FV is replacing faith in the finished work of Christ with faithfulness to the Covenant as the instrument of our justification.


  3. re4med

    re4med Puritan Board Freshman

    I just want everyone to know as they read these posts that the questions rasied here have already been sent to Douglas Wilson for the Covenant Radio interview tomorrow night. I would encourage anyone here who has questions on the FV issue to ask them at the Covenant Radio website. We ask all the questions raised by anyone regardless of position or bias.
  4. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Thanks William. Noted above.

    Thanks for asking my questions, even though they have a decidedly Reformed bias. :)
  5. Apologia

    Apologia Puritan Board Freshman

    Well, that question was only asked because someone brought it up. And you are right, I have not taken too much time dealing with this issue, to have read the amount of writings out there. I have spent a decent amount of time talking to people, and most of the anti-FV people give me the same objections, which are merely points taken out of context by others, and spread like rumors, and they continue to spread and spread, and most of the times people spreading them have not once stopped to ask any of the proponents if that is what they really meant.

    I am a seriously busy man too. I have a wife, six homeschooled kids, I work full time out of the house, run a mail order book store after hours, I maintain about a dozen web sites for other customers, I play drums in two bands, AND now I help with Covenant Radio. So i do not find as much time as I would like to study the issues more.

    I have been friends with Wilkins, Wilson, Schlissel (my pastor for a short time years back), and a great majority of other FV proponents. So i am not as quick as some to want to throw out the close to 20 years of education received from these men, especially when every time I turn around, the accusations are coming from misconceptions, and words taken completely out of context. It is frustrating, and that is why I hoped through Covenant Radio, that I would be able to see and hear issues from both sides discussed.

    So again, excuse my ignorance, i just haven't spent much time on these type boards because i just don't have the time to do so. all of today's boarding has already put me seriously behind, but it was a fun first day. :D

    P.S. I served time in the USAF, does that get me a little more respect? And in what used to be Biloxi, MS for four years too.
  6. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member


    Like I said, please read those two threads. If you don't have time for that and haven't studied it much it's pretty hard to evaluate what is a real misconception. For the record, I have a former pastor who is ensconced in this. I'm not throwing away my friendship with him by informing myself. Neither can I accuse somebody like Dr. Clark of misrepresenting unless I've actually taken a little time to understand the issues.

    Don't do it tonight but save those links I gave you above and read them. It should clarify things a bit. Nobody says you have to throw away friendships but you should understand why your friends are having so much trouble with nearly every Reformed Body today. You might want to equip yourself so that if any of these men are disciplined by their bodies then you understand why and can urge them, by your friendship, to repent rather than rebel against their oaths.

    USAF is OK. My father is a retired Colonel in the Air Force. A bit too civilian for my taste but it's still service. ;)


  7. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritanboard Commissioner

    I am concerned in regards to this thread in that some of the respondents are obviously pro FV. Shame on me! It is not easy policing the wire. I have many responsibilities outside of this board. Anyone joining PB knowing that the board rules clearly state that pro FV adherants would not be *approved for membership and who have in fact joined under the mask of sinfulness, will be dealt with. I believe it's called lying. Discussion is one thing on the subject, promoting it by advocation is another. This board, which is overseen by the RPCGA, see's FV as an attack of Christianity and heretical. Those whom are exposed (your sin will find you out) will be immediately banned. Govern yourselves accordingly.

  8. Apologia

    Apologia Puritan Board Freshman

    That's why I call if the US Chair Force! :rofl:
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