Wretched video against Bethel and Hillsong

Discussion in 'A capella Exclusive Psalmody' started by Reformed Covenanter, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. SeanPatrickCornell

    SeanPatrickCornell Puritan Board Sophomore

    An argument against bad songs isn't an inadvertent argument for EP any more than an argument against cured meats laden with preservatives is an inadvertent argument for veganism.
     
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  2. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Senior

    Right. If only they'd carry their argument a little further and ask, "Hang on, who says we should be singing man-made songs anyway?"
     
  3. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Contemporary songs go beyond “bad”, they are at times downright blasphemous. Veganisme can at least have some healthy advantages, however worshipping our God with our own vain attempts of innovation can only lead to decay.
     
  4. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Indeed, or “Hang on, why would I not want to sing songs I know are theologically perfect?”
     
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  5. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    I've realized that the best way in general to promote Psalm singing is to show what the Psalms really are; the Trinitarian nature of them and the voice of the Son and his church, and how he leads us in singing them. An understanding in the church's history as regards worship and how we got to where we are is really important too. I so recommend the Christopher Ash lectures I posted a thread about earlier.
     
  6. C. M. Sheffield

    C. M. Sheffield Puritan Board Senior

    Snark and sarcasm do not advance your argument. In fact they harm it. I would suggest showing a little more respect for those here who do not share your opinion.
     
  7. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    Hmm, I didn’t take that remark (edit, either Tom’s or Bob’s) as snark or sarcasm. The Psalms truly are theologically perfect, so I took them to be describing an ‘aha’ moment that someone might have or tracing out where the logic might lead.
     
  8. C. M. Sheffield

    C. M. Sheffield Puritan Board Senior

    I believe the point they have made by their remarks is that if those of us who do not hold to EP bothered using our brains, we would arrive at the same conclusion they have.
     
  9. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    It certainly was not intended to be snarky, if it sounded that way I apologize. I could have been more tactful, thankfully Jeri has made arguments with far greater eloquence than I am capable of.
     
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  10. C. M. Sheffield

    C. M. Sheffield Puritan Board Senior

    Well of course I take you at your word. But thank you for the apology.
     
  11. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Senior

    Snark and sarcasm? Where?
    No one has said that at all.
     
  12. Minh

    Minh Puritan Board Freshman

    We are in a virtual world where it’s hard to determine a motive of a member from afar.

    There are things I read that I thought was rhetorically against me because of “snark and sarcasm” on the computer screens regardless of the true intent the words mean to convey.

    Romans 14:5


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  13. chuckd

    chuckd Puritan Board Sophomore

    Do you only listen to sermons that are theologically perfect? Only read books that are theologically perfect? Only join in corporate prayers that are theologically perfect?
     
  14. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Only by the intersection of Christ are sermons and prayers made perfect and acceptable to the Father. The Word however is perfect and so are the Psalms. God breathed them out for us, it is only appropriate that we breath them back to Him.
     
  15. alexandermsmith

    alexandermsmith Puritan Board Sophomore

    One need only be concerned with 19th Century heretic hymn-writiers if one is singing their hymns in worship. If you are not then that is good but that is rather the point being made: hymns are being sung today which were written by heretics.
     
  16. chuckd

    chuckd Puritan Board Sophomore

    I'm not following how non-inspired sermons and prayers are acceptable, but non-inspired songs are not.
     
  17. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Are sermons by Osteen or other heretics accepted by God? Are the prayers of the unregenerate accepted?

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not that dogmatic that I believe that God won’t accept earnest worship from His people, hymns or psalms. The larger and most important question is how does God want to be worshipped and how do we protect the purity of worship. In my opinion, that can only be done if we follow the prescribed formula found in Scripture and sing the songs He gave us for that purpose.
     
  18. SeanPatrickCornell

    SeanPatrickCornell Puritan Board Sophomore

    Are we talking about unregenerate people singing songs?
     
  19. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Honestly, I am horrible at online discussions and have lost my train of thought. If you are ever in Central Cali let me know and we can catch a coffee and talk about things like the good ol’ days :cheers2:
     
  20. Taylor Sexton

    Taylor Sexton Puritan Board Junior

    You offer coffee, yet your emojis have beer...

    :scratch:

    ;)
     
  21. Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

    Seeking_Thy_Kingdom Puritan Board Freshman

    Shhhhhh, don’t give away my secret subtle hints....
     
  22. SeanPatrickCornell

    SeanPatrickCornell Puritan Board Sophomore

    Sounds like a plan. Cheers!
     
  23. Eoghan

    Eoghan Puritan Board Senior

    Saw Justin Peterson speak at the Strange Fire conference - nice guy. I was prompted to leave the church I was attending when they started singing repetative songs back to back for 20 mins at a time. I miss sound hymns but not the Hillsong "session" which seems to prefer emotion over SD.
     
  24. timfost

    timfost Puritan Board Senior

    "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? Behold, I have received a command to bless; He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it." (Balaam, Num. 19-20)

    “You are the Christ, the Son of God!” (Demons, Luke 4:41)

    "...it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” (Caiaphas, John 11:50)

    Sometimes truth comes from unlikely places.
     

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