Wrong ideas about Calvinism

Discussion in 'Calvinism & The Doctrines of Grace' started by Greg, Dec 27, 2005.

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  1. Greg

    Greg Puritan Board Sophomore

    What are some of the worst misrepresetations/misunderstandings about Calvinism that you've heard?

    A common one that I frequently hear is that God forces people into heaven or into hell against their will. [​IMG]
     
  2. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    Anything by Dave Hunt :lol:
     
  3. Jeff_Bartel

    Jeff_Bartel Puritan Board Graduate

    - That Arminianism is really "Moderate-Calvinism" and that Calvinism is really "Hyper-Calvinism."

    - That we don't "choose" at all.

    - That Calvinism makes God the author of evil.

    - That predistination eleviates responsibiliy.

    [Edited on 12-27-2005 by Jeff_Bartel]
     
  4. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritan Board Doctor

    Calvinism is a cult........
     
  5. non dignus

    non dignus Puritan Board Sophomore

    Calvin can't be right because he personally burned Servetus at the stake.
     
  6. Greg

    Greg Puritan Board Sophomore

    You wouldn't be referring to Norman Geisler in "Chosen But Free" would you? ;)

    What Love Is That?

    Ah, yes. The classic ad hominem fallacy!
     
  7. mgeoffriau

    mgeoffriau Puritan Board Freshman

    It's really already been covered, but the formulation I hear most often is that Calvinism just makes us robots, or automatons. Another way of saying "no choice" or "no personal responsibility", but it carries with it a particularly bad connotation.
     
  8. Greg

    Greg Puritan Board Sophomore

    My bad. Sorry if I'm being redundant here. I scrolled through some of the existing threads in this forum before I posted this and didn't notice one already.

    [Edited on 12-28-2005 by Greg]
     
  9. mgeoffriau

    mgeoffriau Puritan Board Freshman

    Sorry, I meant that my point about "robots" was already covered in this thread. I wasn't referring to the thread itself.
     
  10. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    Calvinists are arrogant, they think they're elect...

    Puritans equated wealth with God's favor, poverty with His disfavor...(that's not puritanism, that's WordFaith!)

    [Edited on 12-28-2005 by turmeric]
     
  11. Devin

    Devin Puritan Board Sophomore

    Calvinism kills evangelism.
     
  12. Robin

    Robin Puritan Board Junior

    "Calvinism is all about the doctrine of predestination."

    Robin
     
  13. BrianBowman

    BrianBowman Posting Priviledges Revoked

    Calvinism is strictly embodied in the "Five-Points" (In fact many who believe this don't even know the "Five-Points of Calvinism" were assembled *after* Calvin's death in response to the Arminian Remonstrance).
     
  14. cupotea

    cupotea Puritan Board Junior

     
  15. Plimoth Thom

    Plimoth Thom Puritan Board Freshman

    "It shows a world that seems to be a puppet theater and God a puppet master, a world which seems devoid of freedom."

    "Calvinists say predestination is like robots or machines made to be saved and others made for hell"

    "Calvinism technically is a sin."
     
  16. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    :ditto:

    I've heard: The doctrines of TULIP define Calvinism. I think wikipedia has this.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism#The_five_points_of_.22Calvinism.22

    (appears this has been revised)

    [Edited on 12-28-2005 by Civbert]
     
  17. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    :ditto:
    This was probably the most hurtful and ignorant attack made against me by someone very close....
     
  18. yeutter

    yeutter Puritan Board Senior

    That Barth and Brunner were Calvinists.

    That Jansenists held the same distinctives as Calvinists.
     
  19. CDM

    CDM Puritan Board Junior

    ?



    This isn't far off from the truth is it? While TULIP isn't ALL of Calvinism, you could certainly say its a good summary of it couldn't you?
     
  20. BrianBowman

    BrianBowman Posting Priviledges Revoked

    TULIP is a great summary of many aspects of Calvinism - especially with regard to soteriology, but unfortunately the way it's veiwed and criticized by many folks (including substantial numbers of professing Christians) leaves out perhaps the best part (in my opinion) which is the exhalation of the Godhead in _ALL_ matters. God is totally sovereign and the source of all of life, truth, and decree. This is unmatched in other theologies.
     
  21. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    that we're gun toting hicks...:p (I know...I know...the other thread was locked. delete if necessary):lol:
     
  22. mybigGod

    mybigGod Puritan Board Freshman

    That we need both calvinism and armininism. That a person is unbalanced to crazy if he doesnt believe both. These people = armininist
    That they can stomach all the points of calvinism accept limited atonement. These people=armininist.
    The reason they want to think this way is because they want to preserve free will. They cannot accept that man is unable to choose spiritual good. They love that because our society enforces it through the system of political thought. They even represent this as the 2 parrellel lines of Gods soveriegnty and mans responsiblity.

    [Edited on 12-28-2005 by mybigGod]

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  23. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    :sing: (to the tune of Noel)

    No L, no L, the Amyraldists do say
    To certain poor Christians in pews where they stay -
    In pews where they stay nodding to sleep
    Through the sermons they hear when each Sabbath they keep.
    :sing:
     
  24. ~~Susita~~

    ~~Susita~~ Puritan Board Junior

    That's definitely a two-sided argument. I'd say Arminians are prideful in that they get to "choose" their salvation, that they basically have authority over God's complete sovereignty.

    Another thing I've had thrown at me is that Calvinists don't really care what happens to those not chosen by God. Basically since I'm chosen, that's all that matters to me because in the end God has complete authority. Riiiiight.
     
  25. panta dokimazete

    panta dokimazete Panting Donkey Machete

    Amen and Amen!
     
  26. Plimoth Thom

    Plimoth Thom Puritan Board Freshman

    Here's some more wrong ideas of Reformed theology from an LCMS website.

    :banghead:
     
  27. ~~Susita~~

    ~~Susita~~ Puritan Board Junior

    :banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
  28. Steve Owen

    Steve Owen Puritan Board Sophomore

    Is this something to do with, 'All Scripture is God-breathed'?:lol::lol:

    Martin
     
  29. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    Nope, some people can't spell! I think he meant exaltation! :lol:
     
  30. August

    August Puritan Board Freshman

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