PCA in Louisiana

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I wouldn't go just by that; give the possible choices the nth degree of questioning. There are very few PCA churches that are strictly confessional on those two commandments. Hate to see you move and then find out you will receive no support on what you at least agree is part of the morality of the commandments.
Thanks Chris, the fact that their description of their worship is almost entirely a quote of WCF 21.1 is an encouraging sign! Finding a strong confessional church is definitely a major factor in my potential relocation decisions so I really appreciate everyone's input.
 
For a number of reasons, I'm not going to get into an extensive back and forth about the churches that have been mentioned. But I'll say generally that a statement about confessional subscription on a website tells you little. One must dig deeper than that. Remember that subscription in the PCA for many equates to "system subscription." So you'll have people "affirm" the Confession while disagreeing on the 2nd and 4th commandments. It is not too hard to find those who take an exception due to their affirmation of paedocommunion either since their brethren have not determined that it is inimical to the system of Doctrine contained in the standards.

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I wouldn't go just by that; give the possible choices the nth degree of questioning. There are very few PCA churches that are strictly confessional on those two commandments. Hate to see you move and then find out you will receive no support on what you at least agree is part of the morality of the commandments.
Thanks Chris, the fact that their description of their worship is almost entirely a quote of WCF 21.1 is an encouraging sign! Finding a strong confessional church is definitely a major factor in my potential relocation decisions so I really appreciate everyone's input.
I think he will like the answers better there than elsewhere in the GNO area. Under the current leadership, (a GPTS grad) that church basically resembles the typical OPC church when it comes to worship. But "buyer beware" to be sure.

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Oh I agree, but I think it does mean something when someone puts the confession (and explicit statements on the RPW) front and center on their website vs. hiding it and their Presbyterian identity in the small print or leaving it off completely. A few NOLA PCA church websites really turned me off so the couple that were brought up were a nice contrast. As I said, it's an encouraging sign but I would definitely discuss things with the pastor before making any such decisions.

I'm not expecting to be able to find a Covenanter church in the area, but if I can find one that at least doesn't crassly flout those commandments I will be reasonably content--especially since my time there would likely only be for a couple of years.
 
I'm not expecting to be able to find a Covenanter church in the area, but if I can find one that at least doesn't crassly flout those commandments I will be reasonably content--especially since my time there would likely only be for a couple of years.

Why just OPC?
 
OK Louisiana is not one of the strongholds of the Presbyterian churches. But which cities are target places for church plants? What do you think. Suggest cities were Presbyterian church planting could be successful.
 
Suggest cities were Presbyterian church planting could be successful.

Leesville, when the De Ridder church gets strong enough to spin off a plant. Suburban Shreveport? Hammond has been discussed above. Another around Lake Charles when oil gets strong again, and perhaps Houma at the same time? There's a fairly new plant in Baton Rouge; but generally that area should probably be ceded to the EPC.
 
Somewhat off-topic, but with some Louisianians here, is anyone aware of any non-PCA Reformed churches in the New Orleans area? Or, if not, are there any PCA churches that take the 2nd and 4th commandments more seriously than the norm? I'm contemplating a potential move to the area, but the PCA church websites I've seen in the area barely mention the Westminster Standards if at all, which is a not an encouraging sign for me.

In New Orleans and as wellas in noerthern and Middle Louisiana there is no one OPC church.

PCA
St Roch Community Church- multy ethnic: http://www.strochcc.org
Redeemer Presbyterian - http://www.redeemernola.com
St Preter Presbyterian a church plant in the mid city area
Grace PCA in Metairie LA
ALL OF THEM ADHERE TO WESTMINSTER CONFESSION

Your last line gets at why we're having this back and forth here and why you don't appear to be grasping what several of us are saying. It appears that you don't quite understand what some of us veteran members mean by "adhere to the Westminster Confession."

Do you know the regulative principle of worship is? Do you know what we mean by the confessional teaching on the 2nd and 4th commandments? In other words, do you think it is ok to have so-called "pictures of Christ?" Do you think that a pastor who asks visitors out to eat (i.e. at a restaurant) directly after morning services fully adheres to the Westminster Standards? Does a man who takes exception to the Westminster Standards because he believes in paedocommunion "adhere" to the confession? Does a man who disagrees with the Westminster Standards' prohibition of marrying Romanists "adhere" to the confession? (None of these examples are hypothetical.)

I wish the Mid-South planting network well. There is certainly a need for gospel preaching churches in the Mid-South area. But I can say that I've visited PCA and EPC congregations in most of the states that they're aiming at, including at least one of their plants. I can tell you that to even the somewhat knowledgeable visitor who stumbles into one of those churches on a Sunday morning, there won't appear to be a dime's worth of difference between some of the EPC churches and the PCA ones unless the EPC church in question has women elders, which some of them don't. (In some cases you could perhaps dig real deep and find that there might be a dollar's difference, but that doesn't buy much these days either.) That's why just beating the drum for more PCA church plants the way you are doing generally isn't going to work. That's also why, as I noted earlier, I think it is a good idea for them to go into Lafayette first since there is no other evangelical Presbyterian work there.

It is not clear that you understand that there is no real PCA identity. It is an amalgam of various factions, some of whom can't stand each other. Some would never join a church led by those who are in other factions (or camps or schools of thought or whatever word you want to use.) At times it is hardly more unified than the Southern Baptist Convention. I don't think it is an exaggeration to imagine that the elders of some of those churches might think "Here comes trouble" if they saw several of us coming on a Sunday morning and knew who we are, what we believed and if we indicated that we might stick around for a while. (Or if they aren't inclined to think that negatively and/or know that we wouldn't be capable of causing trouble under the circumstances, they might think that "He's going to be very unhappy here unless he changes his views on x,y and z.") I'm not singling any of them out in particular. It could be any of hundreds of PCA congregations.


(Even some of us who aren't "TR's" or Old School or whatever anymore (or not today) still get upset when we see men ducking and diving and still claiming to "adhere to the Confession." For what it's worth, I am also dismayed by liberal Catholics, Lutherans who are loose confessionalists, and so on.)
 
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What is the name of this new church plant?

Fairly new, not new. It's been around for a few years now. South Baton Rouge.

I mentioned the Baptists upthread. Here is a SB take on church planting targets in Louisiana, for those who haven't seen it:

http://lanecorley.com/2015/08/03/top-5-places-to-plant-a-church-in-louisiana-sendnorthamerica/

South Baton Rouge was planted over 11 years ago according to the PCA History site. It looks like they've recently moved into a building after renting for a long time. I don't know that 11 years counts as "new." It has been around longer than Redeemer and St. Roch in New Orleans. (Well, I'm not sure what the start date of Redeemer is, but from what I understand the current pastor more or less started from scratch after Katrina.) Given the number of TE's SBR has (they have 3 listed in the website,) I wouldn't be shocked to learn that it is the largest PCA congregation in the city. (I don't think either of the others has more than one. I'm not sure if any others in the Presbytery would have more.) But that's one that I haven't visited.

While I'm not in the PCA, I don't know why BR should be "ceded to the EPC" when there is only one EPC church in the city (even if it is probably the largest Presbyterian Church of any type in the state) and when it is one that has women elders. (The two in Ascension Parish were planted within the past decade and probably don't have women elders.) But if your point was that it should not be a priority now given the number of works already there, then I'd tend to agree.



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South Baton Rouge was planted over 11 years ago according to the PCA History site.

Thanks. I Googled but didn't find the start date. I had thought it was post-Katrina.


The two in Ascension Parish were planted within the past decade and probably don't have women elders.

The one in Prairieville has only male elders, but a mix of women and men as deacons. I couldn't find the information for the church in Gonzalez.

The EPC over in Covington shows only male elders.
 
South Baton Rouge was planted over 11 years ago according to the PCA History site.

Thanks. I Googled but didn't find the start date. I had thought it was post-Katrina.


The two in Ascension Parish were planted within the past decade and probably don't have women elders.

The one in Prairieville has only male elders, but a mix of women and men as deacons. I couldn't find the information for the church in Gonzalez.

The EPC over in Covington shows only male elders.

The Covington EPC was planted by a group that came out of the PCUSA there, from what I understand. It might date back to the 90's but I'm not sure. I don't know that any of the churches in that Presbytery that predate the influx of former PCUSA congregations have women elders, but I could be wrong. (Back then it was all Central South until it was split into two recently with the formation of the Gulf South Presbytery.) Some, such as Grace in Alexandria, also prohibit women deacons.
 
Gabor,

This thread has me thinking. If you're in Cleveland, OH, then you're in the Ohio Presbytery of the PCA. I know those men, many were in Ascension before we demarcated a new presbytery. Say a prayer of thanks--you're in a solid presbytery, with solid TEs and REs who will not play around with these games.
 
I do want to say that I agree with your post (with those two minor quibbles, and I think you, Jacob and I are basically on the same page, with you all having a more current perspective.

For a little background: Chris and I used to go to the same OPC church in Central Louisiana.
 
This thread has me thinking. If you're in Cleveland, OH, then you're in the Ohio Presbytery of the PCA. I know those men, many were in Ascension before we demarcated a new presbytery. Say a prayer of thanks--you're in a solid presbytery,

It was just a question about the PCA history in Louisiana. I did not understand that the PCA is stong almos all of the states in Deep South except LA. I did not want to tease anybody just did not know the reasonwhy Mississippi has 120 PCA congregation and Louisiana just 17
 
Mississippi has 120 PCA congregation and Louisiana just 17
Mississippi used to be part of Georgia. Louisiana used to be part of France.

That's rich!

Bingo. The French Catholic influence is huge.

But not really in North Louisiana, which has basically always been Protestant. The French colonies tended to be very sparsely populated compared to English ones. The only area that had a significant population was New Orleans. The Acadians then migrated to parts of South Louisiana, but that didn't impact most of Central Louisiana, much less the North. To some degree, until the 60's, they were sort of second class citizens who were barred from speaking their language in schools, etc, which is one reason why fewer and fewer people can really speak it today.

I don't know what the percentages were in LA compared to MS, etc, but as settlement moved West, there tended to be fewer Presbyterians and Episcopalians and more Baptists and Methodists due to the latter having less formal educational requirements (if any) at the time. There aren't many PCA congregations in Arkansas either. There aren't dates listed for all of the Arkansas churches, but the PCA Historical Center only lists one that predates 1974.

Another guess I have is that the churches were less doctrinally sound on average by the mid-20th Century compared to other states on average. I don't know about the rest of the state, but that probably explains things in New Orleans, which had a fairly sizeable Presbytery at one time, with the notable Southern Presbyterian leader Benjamin Morgan Palmer being pastor of First Presbyterian for many years. A lot of those congregations have either shut down or else are down to a few dozen people at this point, which is typical of many current and former PCUSA congregations throughout the country.

Race and the Civil Rights struggle may have also been a factor. Louisiana was certainly segregated like the rest of the South. Indeed, Plessy vs. Ferguson was a case that originated in New Orleans. Prior to that, we were one of the last 3 states from which federal troops were withdrawn following the Civil War. But with the exception of the likes of Leander Perez there wasn't quite the level of Massive Resistance here that you had in several other states. I don't know that the Confederate battle flag flew in any kind of official capacity in LA following Brown vs the Board of Education. The most staunch segregationist candidates for Governor failed to be elected. It seems that at the lay level at least, the prospect of the PCUS forcing the churches to integrate and admit blacks into membership may have played at least much of a role in leaving for the PCA as theological liberalism did. It appears that secessionist (from the PCUS) fervor burned a bit hotter in states like MS, AL, and SC.

These are just the educated guesses of a man who wasn't there at the time. Perhaps someone who has more intimate knowledge could weigh in. Given the subject matter, this is the kind of thread that is likely come up in Google searches for some time to come.

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not FUNNY

You live up on the 'north coast'. Do you think Qubec is like western Ontario?

Do you know the difference between the basis of the law in Louisiana and the law in Mississippi? Did you know that if there is a dispute as to the precise meaning of a section of the Louisiana Civil Code, you refer not to the published official English version, but to the French version?
 
You live up on the 'north coast'. Do you think Qubec is like western Ontario?

No I think not. But Louisiana is not Ohio, and is more similar to Mississippi or the neighbouring states than Ohio.
 
You live up on the 'north coast'. Do you think Qubec is like western Ontario?

No I think not. But Louisiana is not Ohio, and is more similar to Mississippi or the neighbouring states than Ohio.

That is not true. Not by a long shot. Much of Louisiana has a STRONG French Catholic heritage (that's not even bringing Voodoo into the discussion). Mississippi and Louisiana could be further apart. The only possible similarities would be the Delta region of Mississippi and East Carroll Parish in Louisiana (have fun planting a church there!). The redneck culture of Ouachita, Union, and Morehouse parishes have some similarity to the redneck areas of Mississippi, but that still begs the question on the paucity of NAPARC churches in those parishes.
 
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