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Hello PB Brothers and sisters. I wondered how y'all might weigh in on this discussion. A friend posted on FB:

Do any Calvinists find it bothersome that the doctrine of original sin is completely absent from the Old Testament (not to mention totally foreign to Jewish thought)? How should we understand Paul's view of Adam in light of both evolution and the interpretative rabbinical traditions of Paul's contemporaries?
#rethinkingreformedtheology

In the thread he also hashtags that he is no longer a Calvinist. He has an issue with babies and the thought that they are born in sin/some die in sin and says maybe we should applaud abortionists for killing sinners...

What might your response be to such a person?
 
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If the fellow does not believe in original sin, he has not only left Calvinism, He has left Christianity.

Probably, if this fellow is open to Scripture at all, I would carefully walk him through the Scripture, Old and New Testaments that testify to Original Sin. This will take some work. Let the Holy Spirit speaking through Scripture do the work.

There is no better systematic way to do this than the Westminster Confession:

Westminster Confession of Faith


Chapter VI
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and the Punishment thereof

I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit.[1] This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.[2]

II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God,[3] and so became dead in sin,[4] and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.[5]

III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed;[6] and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.[7]

IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good,[8] and wholly inclined to all evil,[9] do proceed all actual transgressions.[10]

V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated;[11] and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.[12]

VI. Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto,[13] does in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner,[14] whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God,[15] and curse of the law,[16] and so made subject to death,[17] with all miseries spiritual,[18] temporal,[19] and eternal.[20]

Scripture Proofs

[1] GEN 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 2CO 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

[2] ROM 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

[3] GEN 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. ECC 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. ROM 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

[4] GEN 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. EPH 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.

[5] TIT 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. GEN 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. JER 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? ROM 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

[6] GEN 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 2:16 AND THE LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ACT 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation. ROM 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 1CO 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

[7] PSA 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. GEN 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth. JOB 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. 15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

[8] ROM 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. ROM 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. ROM 7:18 For I know that in me(that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. COL 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.

[9] GEN 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. ROM 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

[10] JAM 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. EPH 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. MAT 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

[11] 1JO 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. ROM 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me(that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. JAM 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

[12]ROM 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. GAL 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

[13] 1JO 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

[14] ROM 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. ROM 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

[15] EPH 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

[16] GAL 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[17] ROM 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[18] EPH 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

[19] ROM 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope. LAM 3:39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

[20] MAT 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. 2TH 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
 
Hello PB Brothers and sisters. I wondered how y'all might weigh in on this discussion. A friend posted on FB:

Do any Calvinists find it bothersome that the doctrine of original sin is completely absent from the Old Testament (not to mention totally foreign to Jewish thought)? How should we understand Paul's view of Adam in light of both evolution and the interpretative rabbinical traditions of Paul's contemporaries?
#rethinkingreformedtheology

In the thread he also hashtags that he is no longer a Calvinist. He has an issue with babies and the thought that they are born in sin/some die in sin and says maybe we should applaud abortionists for killing sinners...

What might your response be to such a person?

For clarification, if you deny original sin you are not only not a Calvinist but you are not orthodox by any stretch of the imagination (on the road to or already embracing Pelagianism). Perhaps this is little help to your friend but original sin is not an exclusively Calvinist concept.

No Calvinist has affirmed that the doctrine of original sin is found throughout the Bible or otherwise ignored what the OT says about it. Just read the confessional statements of the Reformed churches and you will plenty of interaction with the doctrine of original from the OT.Genesis 6:5, 8:21; Psalm 51 for some scripture references.

Which Rabbis has he read? Can he prove the statement made above? Is he willing to read the rabbis himself, or is he just parroting what he has heard from someone else? Furthermore the rabbis disagreed on many things so it is difficult to say that they all said one thing or the other. But even if it were true, neither Jesus or Paul had a very high opinion of the 'official' religion of their day. So their opinions are not normative for those who submit to the teaching of God's Word.

Well if evolution is your thing, I really believe that you have no basis to believe anything in the Bible, Calvinism or not. Either Romans 5 is normative or it isn't.

Re: babies born in original sin and abortion - These are two separate issues. Abortion is a violation of God's commandment to not murder. Even the killing of sinners is given limits in scripture (Genesis 9:6). Besides fallen children yet retain (broadly speaking) God's image and are to be protected as such.

It sounds to me as if your friend is struggling with worldly wisdom vs. biblical wisdom. Since all of these issues are broader than Calvinism, he needs to be counseled from a wholistic, biblical worldview. Without that guiding and shaping his thinking, God's sovereignty over humanity is really a non-issue (i.e. irrelevant or dismissed out of hand).
 
In addition to the Confession, you might also take a look at The Works of Jonathan Edwards Volume I, pp. 143-233 ("Original Sin Defended'). And virtually any systematic from a reformed author should have a robust section on original sin.
 
Thanks, Scott. I also saw him recently post he is struggling as to whether the bible is God's word, if it is infallible or not. He thinks the bible may contain some of the words of God, but not all of the words in the bible are God's. He claims it cannot be THE word of God (all of it) because it contains errors, and God cannot have error.

I've been praying diligently for this friend, for up until recently, he was very zealous for the word of God and biblical teaching (reformed theology).
 
First, why is he relying on Jewish interpretations when they deny Christ according to their interpretations? This alone disproves the validity of Rabbinical interpretations of the OT.

Second, evolution is false. In accepting evolution he has denied the need for Christ. Of course in denying original sin he has also denied the need for Christ. Why do I need a savior if I'm born pure? This is also a tacit denial of God being faithful. If we are born pure, then it is possible that we could live sinless lives. Therefore it is possible that Christ would not be the firstborn among many brethren. This in turn leads to God potentially being a liar.

The infanticide comment is idiotic to put it mildly. It is also a red herring and should be ignored for the logical fallacy it is. Simply call it a red herring and move on.

As to the Doctrine of Original Sin not being taught in the OT:

Psalm 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. The logical implication is that our way is in need of cleaning from the very beginning.

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Fairly simple there.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Again fairly simple.

From the Doctrines of Grace file at Mongergism.com

Total Depravity
Man is constituted a sinner by his relationship with Adam Psa 51:5; Psa 58:3; Rom 5:18-19 He is therefore unable


  1. To do anything good Gen 6:5; Job 15:14-16; Psa 130:3; Psa 143:2; Pro 20:9; Ecc 7:20; Isa 64:6; Jer 13:23; John 3:19; Rom 3:9-12; Jam 3:8; 1John 1:8
  2. To believe in God (or come to him) John 6:44; John 6:65; John 8:43-45; John 10:26; John 12:37-41
  3. To understand the truth John 14:17; 1Cor 2:14
  4. To seek God Rom 3:10-11

He is dead in sins Gen 2:16-17; John 3:5-7; Eph 2:1-3; Col 2:13 He is blinded and corrupt in his heart Gen 6:5; Gen 8:21; Ecc 9:3; Jer 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; John 3:19-21; Rom 8:7-8; Eph 4:17-19; Eph 5:8 He is captive to sin and Satan John 8:34; John 8:44; Rom 6:20; 2Tim 2:25-26; Tit 3:3; 1John 5:19 He performs actions freely according to his nature, but his nature is wholly evil Job 14:4; Mat 7:16-18; Mat 12:33; Mark 7:21-23; Jam 1:13-14

Some other resources:

Biblical Basis of Original Sin Extensively - John Murray MP3
Reformed view of Original Sin (OPC)
What is the biblical evidence for original*sin? - Desiring God
A Short Essay on Original Sin
Rev. C. Bouwman's Notes on the Belgic Confession Article 15 dealing with Original Sin
 
Thanks, Scott. I also saw him recently post he is struggling as to whether the bible is God's word, if it is infallible or not. He thinks the bible may contain some of the words of God, but not all of the words in the bible are God's. He claims it cannot be THE word of God (all of it) because it contains errors, and God cannot have error.

I've been praying diligently for this friend, for up until recently, he was very zealous for the word of God and biblical teaching (reformed theology).

Sounds like he has imbibed too much liberal theology from the likes of Dr. Ehrman, Metzger, et al.

What specifically does he call an error in Scripture?
 
Thanks, Scott. I also saw him recently post he is struggling as to whether the bible is God's word, if it is infallible or not. He thinks the bible may contain some of the words of God, but not all of the words in the bible are God's. He claims it cannot be THE word of God (all of it) because it contains errors, and God cannot have error.

I've been praying diligently for this friend, for up until recently, he was very zealous for the word of God and biblical teaching (reformed theology).

I think that is where you have to first engage him then. If he is struggling with accepting the Bible as God's word he will be far more prone to accepting the false teachings of "Rabbis" and others who deny Christ. Point him to the glory and goodness of Christ himself through the word and let the Bible evidence itself as God's word. Praying for your friend, dear sister.
 
Thanks for all the input/resources.

Poimen, It's interesting you (JohnGill) make mention of evolution, for this is an area he has been talking of recently and weighing against scripture (which goes hand in hand with his not being certain the bible is fully the word of God, and only parts of it are). As for the Jewish line of thinking, I believe he is involved in the Messianic Jewish synagogues to some extent, and not a member of any church, reformed or not.

What exactly would an inconsistent (or consistent for that matter) Arminian believe concerning Original Sin then? As one different guy in th thread said he rejected being associated with Pelagianism, he also rejects Calvinism/Augustinian-ism by saying "I reject the doctrine of original sin as defined by Reformed theology. i.e. 'Every person is guilty of Adam's sin....also called imputed guilt.' I hold to original sin in the first definition provided above: Man inherited a sin nature. This separates us from God." and "The Church has always taught that death came into the world through Adam and that the second Adam, Christ, came to reverse these effects— to quicken us by His Holy Spirit— to heal us from our fallen condition. The guilt of Adam is not imputed to me at conception, my own sin is enough to make me guilty before God."
 
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Simply call it a red herring and move on.

I respect your diligence and your comprehension of logic, but many people have no idea what logic is or any clue what a red herring is. This is because logic does not equal rhetoric. When I took one of my English courses at the University where I am, more than half the class had no idea what a logical fallacy even was. I did not know what one was until I found this website. Many public schools do not teach logic.

I watched a street preacher near where I live say that to an objection that it was an ad-hominien attack. The person who made the attack had no idea what an ad-hominien attack is. Logical success. Rhetorical failure.

I am not trying to be rude, but you can have a perfect argument and just totally destroy it when trying to communicate the point rhetorically.

In the current case you should probably state ignore it because it is a side issue.
 
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Simply call it a red herring and move on.

I respect your diligence and your comprehension of logic, but many people have no idea what logic is or any clue what a red herring is. This is because logic does not equal rhetoric. When I took one of my English courses at the University where I am, more than half the class had no idea what a logical fallacy even was. I did not know what one was until I found this website. Many public schools do not teach logic.

I watched a street preacher near where I live say that to an objection that it was an ad-hominien attack. The person who made the attack had no idea what an ad-hominien attack is. Logical success. Rhetorical failure.

I am not trying to be rude, but you can have a perfect argument and just totally destroy it when trying to communicate the point rhetorically.

In the current case you should probably state ignore it because it is a side issue.

Agreed it should be expressed at the level the person can understand. And I would hope that Leah nor anyone else would tell the individual that it is an idiotic statement. I pointed that out simply for Leah to see that the statement has no bearing on the underlying problem with Original Sin. If that issue is dealt with, then the infanticide issue will also be dealt with.

I don't think your comment is rude nor off topic, but instead illustrates an important point about communication. A point I probably should've included. But I have a tendency to naturally assume people will express the sentiment in a manner that best communicates it to their audience. Probably a dangerous assumption on my part. Glad you were there to catch it.

Perhaps even the tree trunk and branches metaphor could be used. Infanticide being a branch, disbelief or doubt in Original Sin the tree. Chop it down and the branch goes away as well.
 
Thanks for all the input/resources.

Poimen, It's interesting you (JohnGill) make mention of evolution, for this is an area he has been talking of recently and weighing against scripture (which goes hand in hand with his not being certain the bible is fully the word of God, and only parts of it are). As for the Jewish line of thinking, I believe he is involved in the Messianic Jewish synagogues to some extent, and not a member of any church, reformed or not.

What exactly would an inconsistent (or consistent for that matter) Arminian believe concerning Original Sin then? As one different guy in th thread said he rejected being associated with Pelagianism, he also rejects Calvinism/Augustinian-ism by saying "I reject the doctrine of original sin as defined by Reformed theology. i.e. 'Every person is guilty of Adam's sin....also called imputed guilt.' I hold to original sin in the first definition provided above: Man inherited a sin nature. This separates us from God." and "The Church has always taught that death came into the world through Adam and that the second Adam, Christ, came to reverse these effects— to quicken us by His Holy Spirit— to heal us from our fallen condition. The guilt of Adam is not imputed to me at conception, my own sin is enough to make me guilty before God."
Seems he's arguing out of pure emotion, doubting this, no doubt he is doubting/rejecting the imputation of Christ's righteousness and as he is the federal head.
 
I strongly suspect that such a man was more excited about the "prettiness" of Reformed Theology, than the crystal-clarity of the sight of the beauty of Christ that is the purpose of Reformed Theology.

Reformed/Covenant Theology is a lens, a telescope, and a sight path, through which Jesus Christ comes into focus, better (in my opinion) than from any other lens or angle available. Being in love with a telescope--even the best one on the market--and the idea of studying the night sky, is significantly different from actually being mesmerized by Saturn, it's rings, it's moons, and everything about the sixth planet.

After a period of being "taken" with the equipment, it is possible to become jaded by it. Perhaps another model looks so much better, shinier and a better fit to the man's variable mood (and deep-down, unconscious ultimate commitments). If someone is more interested in the process than the goal, it doesn't matter enough to end up in the right place.

I'm afraid the young man is looking for some set of views that will validate some already held, and dear conceit--a feeling or a yearning that is more worthy of his passion than the perception of Christ he held while affirming Reformed Theology.
 
I have found that usually when a Christian is arguing against Calvinism it is usually from an emotional level and that God needs to be operating under that persons moral justification. Usually it goes something like, "God would never force someone against thier will to believe or not to believe in Him. That would be spiritual rape.".
 
Hope this helps.

TOTAL DEPRAVITY

- Compiled by Richard Bacon

Genesis 2:16-17 Adam's death for disobedience
Psalm 51:5 David a sinner from conception onward
Psalm 58:3 Wickedness from birth
Genesis 6:5 The thoughts of man's heart only evil continually
Genesis 8:21 The heart evil from youth
Ecclesiastes 9:3 Hearts are filled up with evil
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all else
2 Chronicles 6:36 true of entire human race
Job 15:14-16 man cannot be clean
Psalm 130:3 nobody could stand if the Lord marked iniquity
Psalm 143:2 no living man is righteous before Lord
Proverbs 20:9 none can say they made their heart clean
Ecclesiastes 7:20 not a just man on earth
Ecclesiastes 7:29 not created that way, but fell
Isaiah 53:6 all have gone astray and each has gone astray
Isaiah 64:6 even righteous deed like a polluted garment
Job 14:4 impossible to bring a clean thing out of an unclean
Jeremiah 13:23 Cannot change ourselves
Psalm 22:29 none can keep alive his own soul

If if the person argues against the idea of total inability or total depravity, what Dabney writes is still true:

"A truth is not necessary, because we negatively are not able to conceive the actual existence of the opposite thereof; but a truth is necessary when we positively are able to apprehend that the negation thereof includes an inevitable contradiction. It is not that we cannot see how the opposite comes to be true, but it is that we are able to see that that the opposite cannot possibly be true." (Systematic Theology, sect. 1, chap. 6, lect. 8[1]).
 
Edersheim points out that there was no doctrine of Original Sin in Rabbinic thought at the time of the Gospels...

This leads us to the great question of Original Sin. Here the views of Philo are those of the Eastern Rabbis. But both are entirely different from those on which the argument in the Epistle to the Romans turns. It was neither at the feet of Gamaliel, nor yet from Jewish Hellenism, that Saul of Tarsus learned the doctrine of original sin. The statement that as in Adam all spiritually died, so in Messiah all should be made alive, finds absolutely no parallel in Jewish writings.3 What may be called the starting point of Christian theology, the doctrine of hereditary guilt and sin, through the fall of Adam, and of the consequent entire and helpless corruption of our nature, is entirely unknown to Rabbinical Judaism. The reign of physical death was indeed traced to the sin of our first parents. But the Talmud expressly teaches,a that God originally created man with two propensities, one to good and one to evil (Yetser tobh, and Yetser hara). The evil impulse began immediately after birth. 7 But it was within the power of man to vanquish sin, and to attain perfect righteousness; in fact, this stage had actually been attained.
Similarly, Philo regarded the soul of the child as ‘naked’ (Adam and Eve), a sort of tabula rasa, as wax which God would fain form and mould. But this state ceased when ‘affection’ presented itself to reason, and thus sensuous lust arose, which was the spring of all sin. The grand task, then, was to get rid of the sensuous, and to rise to the spiritual. In this, the ethical part of his system, Philo was most under the influence of Stoic philosophy. We might almost say, it is no longer the Hebrew who Hellenises, but the Hellene who Hebraises. And yet it is here also that the most ingenious and wide-reaching allegorisms of Scripture are introduced. It is scarcely possible to convey an idea of how brilliant this method becomes in the hands of Philo, how universal its application, or how captivating it must have proved. Philo describes man’s state as, first one of sensuousness, but also of unrest, misery, and unsatisfied longing. If persisted in, it would end in complete spiritual insensibility. But from this state the soul must pass to one of devotion to reason.3 This change might be accomplished in one of three ways: first, by study—of which physical was the lowest; next, that which embraced the ordinary circle of knowledge; and lastly, the highest, that of Divine philosophy. The second method was Askesis: discipline, or practice, when the soul turned from the lower to the higher. But the best of all was the third way: the free unfolding of that spiritual life which cometh neither from study nor discipline, but from a natural good disposition. And in that state the soul had true rest and joy..5
Here we must for the present pause. Brief as this sketch of Hellenism has been, it must have brought the question vividly before the mind, whether and how far certain parts of the New Testament, especially the fourth Gospel,7 are connected with the direction of thought described in the preceding pages. Without yielding to that school of critics, whose perverse ingenuity discerns everywhere a sinister motive or tendency in the Evangelic writers, it is evident that each of them had a special object in view in constructing his narrative of the One Life; and primarily addressed himself to a special audience. If, without entering into elaborate discussion, we might, according to St. Luke 1:2, regard the narrative of St. Mark as the grand representative of that authentic ‘narration’ (διήγησις), though not by Apostles, which was in circulation, and the Gospel by St. Matthew as representing the ‘tradition’ handed down (the παράδοσις), by the Apostolic eye-witnesses and ministers of the Word, we should reach the following results. Our oldest Gospel-narrative is that by St. Mark, which, addressing itself to no class in particular, sketches in rapid outlines the picture of Jesus as the Messiah, alike for all men. Next in order of time comes our present Gospel by St. Matthew. It goes a step further back than that by St. Mark, and gives not only the genealogy, but the history of the miraculous birth of Jesus. Even if we had not the consensus of tradition, every one must feel that this Gospel is Hebrew in its cast, in its citations from the Old Testament, and in its whole bearing. Taking its key-note from the Book of Daniel, that grand Messianic text-book of Eastern Judaism at the time, and as re-echoed in the Book of Enoch—which expresses the popular apprehension of Daniel’s Messianic idea—it presents the Messiah chiefly as ‘the Son of Man,’ ‘the Son of David, ‘the Son of God.’ We have here the fulfilment of Old Testament law and prophecy; the realisation of Old Testament life, faith, and hope. Third in point of time is the Gospel by St. Luke, which, passing back another step, gives us not only the history of the birth of Jesus, but also that of John, ‘the preparer of the way.’ It is Pauline, and addresses itself, or rather, we should say, presents the Person of the Messiah, it may be ‘to the Jew first,’ but certainly ‘also to the Greek. The term which St. Luke, alone of all Gospel writers, applies to Jesus, is that of the παῖς or ‘servant’ of God, in the sense in which Isaiah had spoken of the Messiah as the ‘Ebhed Jehovah,’ ‘servant of the Lord.’ St. Luke’s is, so to speak, the Isaiah-Gospel, presenting the Christ in His bearing on the history of God’s Kingdom and of the world—as God’s Elect Servant in Whom He delighted. In the Old Testament, to adopt a beautiful figure, the idea of the Servant of the Lord is set before us like a pyramid: at its base it is all Israel, at its central section Israel after the Spirit (the circumcised in heart), represented by David, the man after God’s own heart; while at its apex it is the ‘Elect’ Servant, the Messiah.2 And these three ideas, with their sequences, are presented in the third Gospel as centring in Jesus the Messiah. By the side of this pyramid is the other: the Son of Man, the Son of David, the Son of God. The Servant of the Lord of Isaiah and of Luke is the Enlightener, the Consoler, the victorious Deliverer; the Messiah or Anointed: the Prophet, the Priest, the King.
Yet another tendency—shall we say, want?—remained, so to speak, unmet and unsatisfied. That large world of latest and most promising Jewish thought, whose task it seemed to bridge over the chasm between heathenism and Judaism—the Western Jewish world, must have the Christ presented to them. For in every direction is He the Christ. And not only they, but that larger Greek world, so far as Jewish Hellenism could bring it to the threshold of the Church. This Hellenistic and Hellenic world now stood in waiting to enter it, though as it were by its northern porch, and to be baptized at its font. All this must have forced itself on the mind of St. John, residing in the midst of them at Ephesus, even as St. Paul’s Epistles contain almost as many allusions to Hellenism as to Rabbinism. And so the fourth Gospel became, not the supplement, but the complement, of the other three. There is no other Gospel more Palestinian than this in its modes of expression, allusions, and references. Yet we must all feel how thoroughly Hellenistic it also is in its cast, in what it reports and what it omits—in short, in its whole aim; how adapted to Hellenist wants its presentation of deep central truths; how suitably, in the report of His Discourses—even so far as their form is concerned—the promise was here fulfilled, of bringing all things to remembrance whatsoever He had said.a It is the true Light which shineth, of which the full meridian-blaze lies on the Hellenist and Hellenic world. There is Alexandrian form of thought not only in the whole conception, but in the Logos, and in His presentation as the Light, the Life, the Wellspring of the world.4 But these forms are filled in the fourth Gospel with quite other substance. God is not afar off, uncognisable by man, without properties, without name. He is the Father. Instead of a nebulous reflection of the Deity we have the Person of the Logos; not a Logos with the two potencies of goodness and power, but full of grace and truth. The Gospel of St. John also begins with a ‘Bereshith’—but it is the theological, not the cosmic Bereshith, when the Logos was with God and was God. Matter is not pre-existent; far less is it evil. St. John strikes the pen through Alexandrianism when he lays it down as the fundamental fact of New Testament history that ‘the Logos was made flesh,’ just as St. Paul does when he proclaims the great mystery of ‘God manifest in the flesh.’ Best of all, it is not by a long course of study, nor by wearing discipline, least of all by an inborn good disposition, that the soul attains the new life, but by a birth from above, by the Holy Ghost, and by simple faith which is brought within reach of the fallen and the lost.
Philo had no successor. In him Hellenism had completed its cycle. Its message and its mission were ended. Henceforth it needed, like Apollos, its great representative in the Christian Church, two things: the baptism of John to the knowledge of sin and need, and to have the way of God more perfectly expounded. On the other hand, Eastern Judaism had entered with Hillel on a new stage. This direction led farther and farther away from that which the New Testament had taken in following up and unfolding the spiritual elements of the Old. That development was incapable of transformation or renovation. It must go on to its final completion—and be either true, or else be swept away and destroyed.


Edersheim, A. (1896). Vol. 1: The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (52–57). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

Is this praised by Christ? Hardly:

John 3:1–15 (ESV)

3*Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2*This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3*Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4*Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5*Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6*That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7*Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8*The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9*Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10*Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11*Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. 12*If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13*No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. 14*And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15*that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Nicodemus was rebuked for not understanding the necessity of being born of the Spirit. Your friend is arguing that we ought to understand original sin from those whom Christ rebuked...
 
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