ReadBavinck
Puritan Board Freshman
In this thread Adam King brought up the form of subscription where one subscribes to the system of doctrine within the confession--kind of a system-in-a system. Because I like to keep thread focused I'm starting this one to ask some questions.
I learned about this view of subscription this morning in one of Dr. Clark's lectures from the Recovering the Reformed Confession conference.
There he categorized the system-subscription as one of the quatenus forms of subscription, (i.e. where person subscripes insofaras it is biblical). And as Adam said, this particular quatenus form, is where one subscribes to the system of doctrine in the confession. This is different from the quia form of subscription where you don't subscribe to a confession but you subscribe (i.e. sign underneath) a confession because it is biblical.
Within the quatenus form you also have the conservative-subscription which is considered strict-subscription, here you subscribe to almost all of it; and good faith-subscription, where every Presbytery decides if the person is subscribing in good faith (PCA).
He said the system-subscription view was held by Hodge, Warfield, Murray, Stonehouse and other old-Princeton and new-Westminster guys. Anyone know at what point did the practice in Presbyterian (and Reformed?) churches change (I assume it did) from quia to quatenus?
Also, I don't see how the quatenus form different from the quia form, when the quia allows for exceptions or scruples. Any thoughts?
I learned about this view of subscription this morning in one of Dr. Clark's lectures from the Recovering the Reformed Confession conference.
There he categorized the system-subscription as one of the quatenus forms of subscription, (i.e. where person subscripes insofaras it is biblical). And as Adam said, this particular quatenus form, is where one subscribes to the system of doctrine in the confession. This is different from the quia form of subscription where you don't subscribe to a confession but you subscribe (i.e. sign underneath) a confession because it is biblical.
Within the quatenus form you also have the conservative-subscription which is considered strict-subscription, here you subscribe to almost all of it; and good faith-subscription, where every Presbytery decides if the person is subscribing in good faith (PCA).
He said the system-subscription view was held by Hodge, Warfield, Murray, Stonehouse and other old-Princeton and new-Westminster guys. Anyone know at what point did the practice in Presbyterian (and Reformed?) churches change (I assume it did) from quia to quatenus?
Also, I don't see how the quatenus form different from the quia form, when the quia allows for exceptions or scruples. Any thoughts?