Leading the Congregation: Who?

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ChristopherPaul

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When leading the congregation in anything such as proclaiming the Apostle's creed, or in praying the prayer of confession, or in saying the words of encouragement, who is permitted to do this?

Can just any male lead the assembled congregation in prayer or should he be an appointed elder?
 
Within Presbyterian polity, it should only be those who are called to lead the congregation in such instances. That would primarily be the Teaching Elder or a Ruling Elder.
 
Originally posted by wsw201
Within Presbyterian polity, it should only be those who are called to lead the congregation in such instances. That would primarily be the Teaching Elder or a Ruling Elder.

But not necessarily?

So any male can address the congregation in a leadership role including impromptu prayer?
 
Originally posted by ChristopherPaul
Originally posted by wsw201
Within Presbyterian polity, it should only be those who are called to lead the congregation in such instances. That would primarily be the Teaching Elder or a Ruling Elder.

But not necessarily?

So any male can address the congregation in a leadership role including impromptu prayer?

I said "should" because some Presbyterian churches do allow non-officers (including women) to lead the congregation with Scripture readings, prayers, everything but preaching, but I don't agree with this and it does not coincide with the Standards or the BCO. So I'll revise my answer: Only Elders can lead the congregation. That is what they are called to do.
 
From the Larger Catechism:
Q156: Is the word of God to be read by all?
A156: Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,[1] yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves,[2] and with their families:[3] to which end, the holy scriptures are to be translated out of the original into vulgar languages.[4]

1. Deut. 31:9, 11-13; Neh. 8:2-3; 9:3-5
2. Deut. 17:19; Rev. 1:3; John 5:39; Isa. 34:16
3. Deut. 6:6-9; Gen. 18:17, 19; Psa. 78:5-7
4. I Cor. 14:6, 9, 11-12, 15-16, 24, 27-28


(As a note, this is routinely ignored)
 
Originally posted by wsw201
Originally posted by ChristopherPaul
Originally posted by wsw201
Within Presbyterian polity, it should only be those who are called to lead the congregation in such instances. That would primarily be the Teaching Elder or a Ruling Elder.

But not necessarily?

So any male can address the congregation in a leadership role including impromptu prayer?

I said "should" because some Presbyterian churches do allow non-officers (including women) to lead the congregation with Scripture readings, prayers, everything but preaching, but I don't agree with this and it does not coincide with the Standards or the BCO. So I'll revise my answer: Only Elders can lead the congregation. That is what they are called to do.

Could you show me how this does not coincide with the Standards or the BCO?

Originally posted by Scott
From the Larger Catechism:
Q156: Is the word of God to be read by all?
A156: Although all are not to be permitted to read the word publicly to the congregation,[1] yet all sorts of people are bound to read it apart by themselves,[2] and with their families:[3] to which end, the holy scriptures are to be translated out of the original into vulgar languages.[4]

1. Deut. 31:9, 11-13; Neh. 8:2-3; 9:3-5
2. Deut. 17:19; Rev. 1:3; John 5:39; Isa. 34:16
3. Deut. 6:6-9; Gen. 18:17, 19; Psa. 78:5-7
4. I Cor. 14:6, 9, 11-12, 15-16, 24, 27-28


(As a note, this is routinely ignored)

But this pertains to the reading of the word of God. What about the leading of the prayers or creeds?
 
Here is a longer description of a traditional reformed understanding of who should do what in public worship. It is from the OPC Book of Church Order (available online here). Note that the assignment of who does what is based on the understanding of the different parts of worship. There are essentially two parts - those performed by man and those performed on behalf of God. For the things performed on behalf of God, only a minister is lawfully able to do them, because He has been ordained as God's representative on earth in a way that others have not.
CHAPTER III
THE USUAL PARTS OF PUBLIC WORSHIP
1. As a service of public worship is in its essence a meeting of God and his people, the parts of the service are of two kinds: those which are performed on behalf of God, and those which are performed by the congregation. In the former the worshippers are receptive, in the latter they are active. It is reasonable that these two elements be made to alternate as far as possible.

2. The public reading of the Holy Scriptures is performed by the minister as God's servant. Through it God speaks most directly to the congregation, even more directly than through the interpretation of Holy Writ in the sermon. For this reason the minister does well to refrain from interspersing the reading of God's Word with human comments, and the congregation should attend to the reading with deepest reverence. The reading of the Scriptures by the minister is to be distinguished from the responsive reading of certain portions of Scripture by the minister and the congregation. In the former God addresses his people; in the latter God's people give expression in the words of Scripture to their contrition, adoration, gratitude and other holy sentiments. The psalms of Scripture are especially appropriate for responsive reading.

3. In the sermon God addresses the congregation by the mouth of his servant. It is a matter of supreme importance that the minister preach only the Word of God, not the wisdom of man, that he declare the whole counsel of God, and that he handle aright the Word of truth. . .

4. It is proper that the minister at the beginning of the service extend a welcome in God's name to the congregation by the use of the apostolic salutation, "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." At the conclusion of the service the minister may pronounce in God's name either the high-priestly benediction, "The Lord bless thee, and keep thee: the Lord make his face to shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: the Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace," or the apostolic benediction, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." If, however, the minister deem another scriptural benediction more fitting for a particular occasion, he may use it. The salutation and benediction, as pronounced in God's name, are properly used only by an ordained minister and in a gathering of Christ's church.

5. It is altogether fitting that, before the service, each person in the congregation engage in silent prayer. In public prayer the minister is the voice of the congregation. He should pray in such a way that the whole assembly of God's people may pray with him, and the members of the congregation not only are bound to listen as he prays but should themselves pray in their hearts . . .
6. As it is the aim of public worship to glorify God, prayer and praise should predominate in congregational singing. Let every member of the church take part in this act of worship. It should be performed not merely with the lips but with the spirit and the understanding. Since the metrical versions of the Psalms are based upon the Word of God, they ought to be used frequently in public worship. Great care must be taken that all the materials of song are in perfect accord with the teaching of Holy Scripture. Let the tunes as well as the words be dignified and elevated. The stately rhythm of the choral is especially appropriate for public worship. No person shall take a special part in the musical service unless he is a professing Christian and adorns his profession with a godly walk.

. . .
8. Nothing in the preceding sections shall be understood so as to prohibit ruling elders from leading in public prayer, reading the Scriptures, leading responsive readings, or, on occasion, exhorting the congregation as part of public worship.
I deleted some parts. You can read the whole thing via the link above. Anyway, the key is to understanding what is being done and why it is being done. The reading of scripture at public worship is not like listenting to scripture on tape or over the radio. Christ is present and speaking through His minister in a supernatural way.

[Edited on 2-7-2006 by Scott]
 
A pastor calls the visiting missionaries to come forward and speak about their mission field. The pastor first asks the husband to talk about it from his perspective and then asks the wife from hers. Since the pastor asked her to speak, is she speaking under the authority of the pastor, or would she still be usurping the authority of the pastor and the other men in the congregation by speaking?
 
Bob: I see it less as a matter of authority and more as a matter of inserting some act besides worship into a worship service. Is a speech by a missionary a form of public worship? I don't think so. It is useful and edifying, but not an element of worship. It should occur either before the call to worship or after the benediction. Else, it does not really make sense.
 
Originally posted by Scott
Bob: I see it less as a matter of authority and more as a matter of inserting some act besides worship into a worship service. Is a speech by a missionary a form of public worship? I don't think so. It is useful and edifying, but not an element of worship. It should occur either before the call to worship or after the benediction. Else, it does not really make sense.

:ditto:
 
Originally posted by Scott
Bob: I see it less as a matter of authority and more as a matter of inserting some act besides worship into a worship service. Is a speech by a missionary a form of public worship? I don't think so. It is useful and edifying, but not an element of worship. It should occur either before the call to worship or after the benediction. Else, it does not really make sense.
I've seen it done during the service, but I've also seen it done between services during the 'missionary banquet'. Do you think that's acceptable? I would tend to think not, but I could be wrong.
 
I don't see a problem in having them speak between services. As a practical matter, having missionaries and other guest speakers during services is common in protestant groups. I think it is indicative of how people view what is happening during a service.
 
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