Military Poll

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jfschultz

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I thought of posting this poll while replying to Mark in the Bush Speech thread.

Sevral years ago there was an item in the Proceedings of the US Naval Institute that since 1812 the less the leadership in Washington was involved in the military the more likely we would be in a war.

So lets see where the rubber meets the road!
 
Never in the military. I am attracted by the training and opportunity to serve, but the reality of being basically compelled to follow orders unquestioningly has kept me away.
 
I was a chairborn ranger in Vietnam Nov '69 to Dec '70, first with the 1st Infantry Division and then with the 35th Engineer Group. I trained for the Infantry, but they pulled me for support. I didn't argue with 'em.

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Hat's off to Ben. You guys are true American heroes.


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8 years active USAF. Had some good experiences. Got saved in a missionary church at keflavik naval air station, Iceland. Other than that, at 47 years old now I wish I had those years back.
 
Avoided it when called or contacted by the military. Never had an interest to join up. Since my beliefs have changed I would not join the U.S. military.

Blade
 
Served as a 13F1P (that's just a military designation for a jump qualified forward observer) with C co. of the 3rd Ranger battalion back in the early through mid '90's.

Lots of great memories (as well as humorous memories of things that I'd prefer not to repeat, i.e. being the lead swimmer setting up a rope bridge in a raging, flooded, and muddy Georgia river with about six or seven alligators on the opposite bank. My PSG told me to keep my knife in my mouth, and if one of the 'gators drug me under, the squad would reel me back in by the rope that was around my waist, "just go after his eyes" - I kid you not!).

Many sobering memories - fellow rangers getting killed in "mere" training exercises. Combat operations that never took off. What you need to do drain the blood of a man when engaged in a knife fight, and how many minutes you have to keep on with the fight if you're the man bleeding out of an artery...

Memories that cause me to pause and give thanks to God - getting knocked from a fastrope at 30' feet during a midnight rainstorm, landing on my radio, and not actually breaking my sorry back or having the assistant gunner come down on top of me and put his tripod through my face (yes, falling off of a fastrope happens a lot more than just what you might have seen in the movie 'Blackhawk Down'). Being strung upside down in my risers during a mock airfield seizure, but being able to work myself lose before having my head impact with the tarmac. Ad infinitum...


I also think of the sacrifices presently being made (for your freedom to even sit in your livingroom and post on this board), and for that I think that some of you here could use a dose of reality. Some would like to cry about America, the war, how bad it is that we've become the world's police force and are "covertly taking down governments" that you think have a right to exist? Well why don't you try living in East Africa, or some stinkhole in South America, and having always to worry about the local Islamic funded militia raping your daughers (or your sons), ruling as despots, torturing young boys, and shooting you in the face because you didn't like the fact that they were torturing young boys and raping your daughters? I realize that some may take offense at the strong tone here, but some of those same folk just might need a cold dose of life as is exists in other parts of the world in order to give a little more thanks for what America is preventing.

America may not be a "Christian nation" in the sense that some define the term, but I certainly do not desire that we end up becoming an Islamic state either. What would be interesting is to see how many on this board agreed with the Pope's statements last week. I briefly glanced at a couple of posts on it, and I at least noticed that the strongest supporter of his statement was a former "Batt boy". Maybe his military experience has given him a bigger picture of what's at stake here. Like it or not (and be it recognized or not by many) this is a war between a foundationally Christian West, and a foundationally Islamic terrorism, even my non-Christian brothers-in-arms understand that. You don't have to like the history of Christian wars against Islam , but I guarantee that you would have liked it a whole lot less had a bunch of overly pious Christians allowed those boys to just roll on into Europe like Mo's Steamroller.

We need always remember that God most often works through means, even in protecting His Church. So let us give thanks to Him in our prayers that, although we live in a more or less secular nation, it is that same nation which gives us our protection to worship Christ Jesus without fear, and to live lives of true Christian charity and piety.

I realize that the second half of this post would have fit better in the other forum, but I didn't have time to post twice. Hopefully, you all can make the proper connections.

P.S. Hey Ben, I've been giving some consideration to the Chaplaincy this last year or so. Maybe you could make contact, and send me a U2U?

Popping smoke and breaking contact...
 
Brethren,

Just a note, a discussion on members' military history was started back a few months here: http://www.puritanboard.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18558#pid254599

More than enough has been said on America & her foreign policy already - I encourage us to maintain the proper perspective on what Scripture tells us we are fighting against:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12


I'm sure all here can agree on that.

dl

ps: 9 years Canadian Forces Army Signals Branch - started as "buck private", served as NCO for 5 years, commissioned-from-rank to platoon commander - amazing period of my life, lessons from which I still benefit today in business life.



[Edited on 9-22-2006 by Cuirassier]
 
US Navy during Vietnam serving on a destroyer. The needs of the navy kept the USS Leary in the Atlantic Fleet and on a Med deployment during the time I was on active duty.
 
Originally posted by Archlute
I also think of the sacrifices presently being made (for your freedom to even sit in your livingroom and post on this board), and for that I think that some of you here could use a dose of reality. Some would like to cry about America, the war, how bad it is that we've become the world's police force and are "covertly taking down governments" that you think have a right to exist? Well why don't you try living in East Africa, or some stinkhole in South America, and having always to worry about the local Islamic funded militia raping your daughers (or your sons), ruling as despots, torturing young boys, and shooting you in the face because you didn't like the fact that they were torturing young boys and raping your daughters? I realize that some may take offense at the strong tone here, but some of those same folk just might need a cold dose of life as is exists in other parts of the world in order to give a little more thanks for what America is preventing.

America may not be a "Christian nation" in the sense that some define the term, but I certainly do not desire that we end up becoming an Islamic state either. What would be interesting is to see how many on this board agreed with the Pope's statements last week. I briefly glanced at a couple of posts on it, and I at least noticed that the strongest supporter of his statement was a former "Batt boy". Maybe his military experience has given him a bigger picture of what's at stake here. Like it or not (and be it recognized or not by many) this is a war between a foundationally Christian West, and a foundationally Islamic terrorism, even my non-Christian brothers-in-arms understand that. You don't have to like the history of Christian wars against Islam , but I guarantee that you would have liked it a whole lot less had a bunch of overly pious Christians allowed those boys to just roll on into Europe like Mo's Steamroller.

Hooah!

Never served. I was in much rebellion during my formative years. Though dad served in the signal corps, 82nd airborne during Korea...and encouraged me to join, I didn't listen to him or anyone else for that matter. One of my few regrets...
 
Hat's off to Rich too! Nice to see so many American heroes on PB !


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And hat's off to everyone else on the Puritan "Board who are either serving now, or have served in the past. This American is grateful to God for all you do and have done !

[Edited on 9-22-2006 by rjlynam]
 
Gee....

What's the definition of "in combat"...?

Wearing a rubber suit and trying not to dehydrate in 120 degree heat while silly skuds flew over a huge area of desert with little accuracy at all is not exactly "in combat" - but I have a combat patch for it.

I'm even a 5 jump chump...

... lots of transferrable ministry skills!


I mostly just fought boredom...
 
I served 4 years active duty AF, and 4 years active Air Guard.

My brother served active duty AF

My husband served 21 years active duty Navy.

My dad served 20 years active Navy.

His brother served active AF

My great Uncle Walter served 30 years in the Army, retired Lt. Col.,
His brother died in the Phillipine Islands while at war.

I don't think there has been a generation within my family, that hasn't had at least one person serve in one branch or another of the Military since they came to America before the Revolution.

When my nephew graduates this next year he wants to join the Navy.

but even more importantly than serving in The United States Military, I ACTIVELY Serve in God's Army now, as do many of my family members as did many within my family for generations.


[Edited on 9-23-2006 by BJClark]

[Edited on 9-23-2006 by BJClark]
 
Originally posted by BJClark
I served 4 years active duty AF, and 4 years active Air Guard.

My brother served active duty AF

My husband served 21 years active duty Navy.

My dad served 20 years active Navy.

His brother served active AF

My great Uncle Walter served 30 years in the Army, retired Lt. Col.,
His brother died in the Phillipine Islands while at war.

I don't think there has been a generation within my family, that hasn't had at least one person serve in one branch or another of the Military since they came to America before the Revolution.

When my nephew graduates this next year he wants to join the Navy.

but even more importantly than serving in The United States Military, I ACTIVELY Serve in God's Army now, as do many of my family members as did many within my family for generations.


[Edited on 9-23-2006 by BJClark]

[Edited on 9-23-2006 by BJClark]

Bobbi,

Your family has given honorable and stellar service to our country. God bless and your clan!

[Edited on 9-23-2006 by Ivan]
 
Great stories of God's providence in our lives. At the end of the cold war I joined the Army in complete ignorance, but God being rich in mercy saved me during my first duty assignment in S. Korea. I had a wonderful time of fellowship at the Hospitality House at Camp Humphreys.

An interesting verse that may shed some light for soldiers is Luke 3:14 in the conversation between John the Baptist and some soldiers:

"And some soldiers were questioning him, saying, And what about us, what shall we do? And he said to them, Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages."

Let us all pray for our soldiers.

Let God be magnified!
 
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