Stratford
Puritan Board Freshman
Disclaimer: These are a very heavy series of questions that are all related to each other, so if you can’t handle heavy spiritual talk at the moment, then please do not read. I’m not trying to sow division, and I’m not trying to sway opinions, but I am looking for sound answers from seasoned believers. As I’m currently experiencing a spiritual downturn, it is much appreciated. I’ll pose the questions now.
Why is it that God will not apply the Son’s saving blood to someone whom He ultimately intends to place in hell, and then rescind that person’s salvation while they’re alive for the purpose of amplifying the sentence they will receive in hell by the greater knowledge resulting from once having been genuinely saved, for His own purposes?
If the Spirit is the earnest of our salvation, and if God removed the Spirit from Saul, and if David, who was saved retroactively by the future sacrifice of Christ, which is equally effective across all of scripture, begged God not to take His Spirit from him as well due to his iniquity, why can God not presently do the same with us?
This is very frightening to me. He is Lord over the salvation He has procured, and what’s stopping Him from using that for His own purposes as well? Calvin talked about “teasing grace” before. Why is it that a person who once truly appeared to be saved, but then fell away, actually wasn’t saved at one point? How could they have borne fruit apart from having been in Christ?
There are many Christians who say that salvation can be applied and then lost, and biblical justification for this, however valid it is, isn’t terribly difficult to find. Certainly being saved means that one’s sins have been removed from east to west, seeing that they are infinitely distanced from each other, but it’s not as if God has truly forgotten those sins in knowledge, nor is God not omnipotent enough to restore their guilt to the person. Why does presently possessing salvation necessarily mean that a person is elect? Could the elect simply be those whom God has decreed will die with the blood of Christ presently applied to their souls, and this is what actually makes them ultimately elect? If we are born genuinely children of the devil, why are we unable to run from an adoption?
Of course, the blood of Christ is of infinite worth and efficacy, but what do we make of warnings like this? (But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. Ezekiel 18:24) Likely this isn’t talking about salvation per se, but the overtones are unsettling, and this is far from the only example that could be posited.
As I realize these questions are heretical in nature, know that I’m convinced of the Reformed tradition, but I need help in answering these.
Why is it that God will not apply the Son’s saving blood to someone whom He ultimately intends to place in hell, and then rescind that person’s salvation while they’re alive for the purpose of amplifying the sentence they will receive in hell by the greater knowledge resulting from once having been genuinely saved, for His own purposes?
If the Spirit is the earnest of our salvation, and if God removed the Spirit from Saul, and if David, who was saved retroactively by the future sacrifice of Christ, which is equally effective across all of scripture, begged God not to take His Spirit from him as well due to his iniquity, why can God not presently do the same with us?
This is very frightening to me. He is Lord over the salvation He has procured, and what’s stopping Him from using that for His own purposes as well? Calvin talked about “teasing grace” before. Why is it that a person who once truly appeared to be saved, but then fell away, actually wasn’t saved at one point? How could they have borne fruit apart from having been in Christ?
There are many Christians who say that salvation can be applied and then lost, and biblical justification for this, however valid it is, isn’t terribly difficult to find. Certainly being saved means that one’s sins have been removed from east to west, seeing that they are infinitely distanced from each other, but it’s not as if God has truly forgotten those sins in knowledge, nor is God not omnipotent enough to restore their guilt to the person. Why does presently possessing salvation necessarily mean that a person is elect? Could the elect simply be those whom God has decreed will die with the blood of Christ presently applied to their souls, and this is what actually makes them ultimately elect? If we are born genuinely children of the devil, why are we unable to run from an adoption?
Of course, the blood of Christ is of infinite worth and efficacy, but what do we make of warnings like this? (But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. Ezekiel 18:24) Likely this isn’t talking about salvation per se, but the overtones are unsettling, and this is far from the only example that could be posited.
As I realize these questions are heretical in nature, know that I’m convinced of the Reformed tradition, but I need help in answering these.