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I seem to remember that in our church constitution. Or maybe not ...
When an infidel’s country is conquered by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:--
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
Waiting for it....
When an infidel’s country is conquered by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:--
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
How much is the poll tax in Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?
I'm not sure, but I'm certain they don't take Visa
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
When an infidel’s country is conquered by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:--
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
How much is the poll tax in Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?
Just like Tim's obigatory objection to "All Bibles except the KJV are written by the Devil" threads.
Really, Ben. Pastor Buchanan says things much clearer and graciously than I do, but his posts aren't any different, and he and Pastor Winzer are by for the most knowledgeable people on this board. I would be interested in Pastor Winzer's take on things.
The only true test of an hypothesis is to try to disprove it. If you make the claim that Islamic nations by their very nature will enforce either conversion, death or a poll tax then you need to try to disprove it. So, how much do Christians pay?
The Poll Tax, when implemented, varied widely. Only free men of military age were taxed and the justification was military exemption. In return, Christians were protected both inside and outside the State, and allowed to practice their faith. Of course it's demeaning. That's not the point, though. The point is, well, how much do Christians pay in those countries?? To say they don't take Visa isn't an answer, it's getting carried away by an emotion.
These arguments all too often take the form of "Flies reproduce every 5 days, therefore in 15 years the total number of flies will be so high that they will cover the whole earth and suffocate every other living being".
My bad. I bought into the whole Jihad, 911 thing. Sorry, let me correct myself. Islam is the religion of peace. Better?
When an infidel’s country is conquered by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:--
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
How much is the poll tax in Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?
There it is!
Wow... and posted a mere 4 minutes after I posted my "waiting for it" post... I sure didn't have to wait long!
Anyway, that's what I was waiting for... The beginning of Tim's obligatory "Muslims aren't really all that bad" response to any thread speaking ill of Islam.
(If one thinks I'm being rhetorical, or exagerating... just check the historical record!)
My bad. I bought into the whole Jihad, 911 thing. Sorry, let me correct myself. Islam is the religion of peace. Better?
No, not yet. You have to tell me how much money Christians pay in Poll Tax in Turkey, Egypt, Syrian and Iraq.
If any of those countries don't have a poll tax then it's like me claiming you are gay with authority. I.e. it would be wrong.
So, if Egypt for example abolished the Poll Tax in 1815 and made Christmas a national holiday on 2002 you would not only be bearing false witness but would be hard pressed to prove a certain tendency.
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Kevin you know me well enough that I would never call you a liar. I am sure you are relating what you have seen. For me, the Copts I've met were very rich. So that's doesn't answer things. I think I could convince you that Iraqi and Syrian Christians are richer per captia than Muslims in those lands. But still, I'd rather be a Christian here than there. For sure!!!! And thanks for admitting you are unclear as to whether the Poll Tax is always implemented. It does much for your credibility.
I'd just caution you, as a very experienced traveler to remember the dangers of "preventive" aggression.
Regards
Tim
PS I don't think Persians would like to see a Caliph. I think their preference is an Ayatollah
Ok, aside from personal attacks, what's wrong with interpreting Islam from the Koran?
When an infidel’s country is conquered by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:--
(1) The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered become enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state.
(2) The Payment of a poll-tax (Jizyah), by which unbelievers in Islam obtain protection, and become Zimmis, provided they are not the idolaters of Arabia.
(3) Death by the sword, to those who will not pay the poll tax.
How much is the poll tax in Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?
There it is!
Wow... and posted a mere 4 minutes after I posted my "waiting for it" post... I sure didn't have to wait long!
Anyway, that's what I was waiting for... The beginning of Tim's obligatory "Muslims aren't really all that bad" response to any thread speaking ill of Islam.
(If one thinks I'm being rhetorical, or exagerating... just check the historical record!)
just as easily I could have inserted the "wait for it" comment before you and anticipated the whole "muslims are going to take over the US next month so we need to kill them all now because they are all are sworn enemies" stuff. It goes both ways brother.
Really, Ben. Pastor Buchanan says things much clearer and graciously than I do, but his posts aren't any different, and he and Pastor Winzer are by for the most knowledgeable people on this board.
Ok, aside from personal attacks, what's wrong with interpreting Islam from the Koran?
If you claim I'm calling you gay when a 12 year old can tell I said it would be wrong to call you gay, you aren't a the level to understand my response. Why don't you just tell me one of two things. Either how much the Poll Tax is in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Egypt or admit you just don't know if they practice it or not. It's not rocket science.
You will find your beloved Islam is not so benevolent. I await your reply.
CJ - He didn't call you gay.