The Most Ideal Form of Church Government

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Graduate
From the studying I have done in the past, though I am a Presbyterian, I will admit that trying to understand Church government simply using the Bible is very muddy stuff. I was just looking into Congregationalism and I think there is a lot that's appealing there and a lot of Biblical application. But then you have the Jerusalem Council, which Congregationalists definitely have their views on. And though I don't embrace a Roman Catholic form of government, one could interpret the Jerusalem Council as almost the HQ like Rome is.

Anyway, I'm just interested to hear some more thoughts.
 
Read the actual debate papers between Goodwin, Nye et al., and the majority Presbyterians, which Goodwin saw through publication, which was retitled The Grand Debate on its reissue. It suffers from on the one hand the Congregationalists refused to show their hand (playing politics; the goal was wait it out for an overthrow that favored them since they were a minority) and the Presbyterians could only adduce what had been debated in the assembly (so not a full fledged presbyterianism could be presented); but what they did do was fully argue the examples in Scripture. RHB has a reprint of the Naphtali Press edition. RHB currently has it on sale for $18. For the English view of a full fledged presbyterianism, see Jus Divinum Regiminis Ecclesiastici: or the divine right of church government, not as great a sale price but still available at RHB.
 
This thread gives me the opportunity to share this quote I just rediscovered:

“The form of church government is not in any way the essence of the truth, but it is the fence around the truth. It is not the jewel, but it is the precious case that encloses the more precious jewel … If people … are led to mistake the case for the jewel, then the great design is lost … Our unattractive Presbyterianism is a rough case in the view of many ; but it certainly answers the blessed end of preventing any from resting on the form, as if the form itself were the jewel. Its very plainness leads the inquirer to go deeper in, and find the glorious view of God manifest in flesh, which it is intended to fence and guard.”

Andrew Bonar, A Commentary on the Book of Leviticus (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1978), 359-60.
 
The URC model is interesting in that it is not congregational but it is also not quite Presbyterian. It's a voluntary Federation around a church order and confessions.

Our churches submit to the broader assemblies (Classis/Synod) but it is a voluntary submission...theoretically if a Church's Consistory disagrees with a decision they may implement their own decision on the matter. My understanding is that this is quite rare. At the same time, Synod has a mechanism in the church order to remove a church from the Federation if the church is going astray. The Biblical merits of this model vs. the traditional Presbyterian model, I have not yet looked into.
 
There is such a thing as being a Presbyterian without being a Christian, as it is possible to be a Christian without being a Presbyterian. Depend upon it, it is best to be both.
-Thomas Witherow
 
@Ryan&Amber2013: As I've said on another thread, I'm not going to get into this in any depth without clearance from the site administrators since it will necessarily involve criticism of Presbyterian polity. @NaphtaliPress is here, and has given you a reference to one of the key documents during the Westminster era of debate between the Congregationalists at Westminster (known as the "Dissenting Brethren") and the Presbyterians.

He is correct about the problems of reading that debate. The Congregationalists didn't yet have a formal statement of polity at the time.

That changed later.

An important caution applies here: Confessions count. We expect that when Arminians or Baptists criticize us, that they won't go to some random Calvinist who may or may not represent the Reformed faith, but rather go to one or more of the Reformed confessions. I don't blame Presbyterians for the PC(USA) abuses, and I know Chris from his writings well enough to know that he cares about accurately representing Baptists, Congregationalists, and others, even when he disagrees.

It's also important to remember that the Dissenting Brethren, while they dissented, were BRETHREN. Both sides of the Presbyterian-Congregational debate were at Westminster because it was understood that they shared the same faith but not the same polity. We need to regard each other as brothers in the Reformed faith, and treat each other in a brotherly manner.

So let's go to the confessions.

There are differences between English Congregationalism and New England Congregationalism. The main difference is that the New Englanders benefitted from actual practical experience in governing their churches without a presbytery or a bishop. The Dissenting Brethren at Westminster knew what the Puritans in New England and the Dutch were doing -- as @De Jager points out, Dutch Reformed polity predates Westminster and has aspects of both systems of government, and in its modern form, has largely been defined by Abraham Kuyper who was (I believe correctly) regarded as a "crypto-Congregationalist" -- but the English Congregationalists didn't have a lot of practical experience. That was a significant part of why the New England Congregationalists called the Cambridge Synod, which approved the Westminster Confession with certain stated exceptions that are generally what one would expect from a Congregational synod, and in 1648 issued the much more detailed Cambridge Platform which functioned as the "church order" for New England Congregationalism.

Political and ecclesiastical reality meant that in England, the Congregationalists waited to call their own synod, which in 1658 revised the Westminster Confession to produce the Savoy Declaration of Faith and Order. That "and Order" is important. The "order" is appended to the Savoy Declaration. It is a much less detailed form of church government that doesn't adopt the Cambridge Platform in detail and leaves a lot of openness to different views of how local churches should be governed and how they should relate to each other.

Of course, the overthrow of Cromwell's son just a few years later meant that the Savoy Declaration of Faith and Order became something of a "dead letter." Congregationalists and Presbyterians were both thrown into persecution, and the English Congregationalists did not get the opportunity to "flesh out" their views on church government.

The result is that the New Englanders were left with a considerably more detailed "jure divino" statement of how their churches should be governed, with detailed Scripture proofs, parallel to what the Presbyterians had, while the English Congregationalists had a lot looser arrangement with a lot more diversity. That situation continued even after persecution ended and is an ongoing difference between the English and American traditions of Congregationalism, with the British (yes, there are small numbers of Congregationalists in Scotland and Ulster, not just England) using the Savoy Declaration of Faith and Order as their confession, and the Americans using two confessional documents, the Savoy Declaration and the Cambridge Platform. (I'm simplifying here a little -- there were some other American confessional statements that were written and had some regional usage, but the Savoy was widely used as the "Congregational version" of the Westminster Confession, and the Westminster Shorter Catechism, while I'm aware of only one case in which it was formally adopted by a regional assembly as a formal doctrinal standard, was widely used for catechesis. Today, I think the Heidelberg Catechism is more commonly used for local catechesis, and the church of which I was a member for many years had formally adopted it, along with the Savoy and Cambridge, as its doctrinal standards.)

A difference on the two sides of the Atlantic is not unique to Congregationalism. We see somewhat similar issues of difference in how British Presbyterianism (particularly Scotland and Ulster) works, compared to American Presbyterianism, though the reasons are different.

That is a basic introduction to the history.

Here are the key issues on how the three systems work out:

1. Both Presbyterians and Congregationalists agree -- and on this point, they both differ from the Dutch Reformed -- that not just basic principles of church government but specifics can be found from Scripture.

2. The Dutch confessions make certain things mandatory about church government, but the federations are viewed as being for the well-being (bene esse) of the church, not for their very being (esse), and that means there are things in the Church Order of Dordt that make no claim to have explicit biblical warrant. That's not a criticism of the Dutch, with whom I largely agree on polity (at least post-Kuyper), but simply a recognition that their confessions are of an earlier date before some of the later church polity differences got "hashed out."

3. Historic confessional Presbyterians and Congregationalists will both agree that if something can't be found in the Bible, it shouldn't be found in the church. The Dutch may think that's strange, but it's simply applying the regulative principle of worship to the governance of the church. Has God given a government to His church, or do we have freedom to order the church according to practical considerations and preferences? Both the Presbyterians and the Congregationalists agreed that we need to go to the Bible for warrant for what we do.

4. Where that gets difficult is determining WHAT the Bible says on specific issues. The Cambridge Platform makes the case that there is no such thing as a "regional church" with officers over it, and the only biblical officers of the church are elders and deacons, and that after the age of the apostles, no elder has authority beyond his own local church, though churches can, should, and sometimes MUST seek counsel of other churches to resolve their problems. Presbyterians make a quite different case for the existence of regional churches.

5. That difference comes out in important ways in the three ecclesiastical systems. A Dutch pastor or a Congregational pastor is a member of a local church and accountable to his local elders. A Presbyterian pastor is accountable to his presbytery. That is most emphatically NOT a minor matter. A Dutch conservative today is going to say that if a local church objects to a decision of the synod, the synod has NO AUTHORITY to depose the pastor or the elders, and the most it can do is set the church outside the federation. That is not the Presbyterian view of the authority of higher courts.

I can get into a lot of detail here, and the Cambridge Platform does that. So does the Westminster Form of Presbyterial Church Government.

The key question is -- or at least should be -- first, what God has or had not said, and second, whether we can do things in the church that God has not told us to do.

How we answer those questions will determine where we end up on church government.

I sincerely hope I have been respectful, and spoken in a brotherly manner, to those with whom I dissent, and about the points on which I dissent.

I owe that to brothers in the Lord, especially those who affirm sovereign grace.

There just aren't enough Reformed people out there to be fighting bitterly over these matters. Disagreement is unavoidable. Bitterness is to be avoided.
 
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The URC model is interesting in that it is not congregational but it is also not quite Presbyterian. It's a voluntary Federation around a church order and confessions.

Our churches submit to the broader assemblies (Classis/Synod) but it is a voluntary submission...theoretically if a Church's Consistory disagrees with a decision they may implement their own decision on the matter. My understanding is that this is quite rare. At the same time, Synod has a mechanism in the church order to remove a church from the Federation if the church is going astray. The Biblical merits of this model vs. the traditional Presbyterian model, I have not yet looked into.
Here's AI's take on my post:

Yes. Your post is substantially correct, but I would tighten one important point: saying a consistory may simply “implement their own decision” makes URCNA polity sound a little more independent/congregational than it actually is.


The current URCNA Church Order deliberately describes the churches as a federation of distinct local churches that “voluntarily display their unity” through a common confession and Church Order. Article 16 says that only the consistory is a continuing body; classis and synod exist only when they meet by delegation. Article 21 goes further: the consistory is the only assembly whose decisions have direct authority within the congregation, because its authority is received directly from Christ.


But decisions of classis and synod aren't merely optional advice. Article 29 says broader-assembly decisions are to be received “with respect and submission” and regarded as “settled and binding” unless they are proved contrary to Scripture or the Church Order. A consistory that believes it cannot comply on Scriptural grounds cannot be compelled to comply, but it must state to classis specifically where the decision conflicts with Scripture.


And your last point is basically right, but the mechanism is more specific than “Synod can remove a church.” If the consistory refuses to comply with a final decision of synod, and a subsequent synod determines by majority vote that submission on that matter is essential to the unity of the churches, the congregation becomes “no longer eligible for membership in the federation.” Conversely, after using the avenues of appeal, a local church may itself withdraw from the federation.
 
@De Jager: This is why I avoid use of AI. It may claim to be "Artificial Intelligence," but it can be "Automated Ignorance."

Here are Articles 29 and 30 of the URC church order:

Article 29 – Appeals by Assemblies
If any assembly complains of having been wronged by the decision of another assembly, it shall have the right to appeal to the broader assemblies. All decisions of a broader assembly are to be received with respect and submission, and shall be considered settled and binding, unless it is proved that they are in conflict with the Word of God or the Church Order. Consistories which are convinced that they cannot comply with a decision of a broader assembly because it does not agree with the Word of God cannot be compelled to do so, provided that they state to the classis the points at which the decision of the assembly disagrees with the Word of God. If a consistory refuses to comply with the final decision of the synod and a subsequent synod rules by majority vote that submission in the matter is essential for the unity of the churches, the congregation is no longer eligible for membership in the federation. (See Appendix 7.)

Article 30 – Withdrawing from the Federation
Having availed herself of the avenues for appeal, a church through its consistory may withdraw from the federation at any time by submitting a written statement to the classis to which the church belongs.


Now a lot can be said about what those articles mean, but putting the actual articles out for discussion is more helpful than an AI attempt to explain them.

Whatever those articles of the URC church order may be, that's not traditional Presbyterian polity.

BTW, the URC church order article on church property protections -- Article 33 -- came from my computer. There are obvious parallels to the PCA and OPC documents, which I used as the basis of the article, and added this: "The broader assemblies of the federation shall not attempt to secure possession of the property of any congregation, whether or not such congregation remains within, chooses to withdraw from, or is removed from the federation."

I pulled Article 33 out separately because, for full disclosure, I need to say where it came from. If someone wants to argue that "DTM inserted his views into the URC church order," that claim can be made with Article 33. It cannot be made with Article 29 and 30. Of course I agreed with Article 29 and 30, but they have deep roots in Dutch Reformed ecclesiology. With regard to church property issues, since I was the reporter who had covered many fights in many different classes on church property battles, and I knew the American history of church property fights better than most people, I was asked for advice on how to prevent problems and produced what is now Article 33. Of course, it went through the appropriate committees, and my name isn't on it, but my computer is where it came from. I deliberately used OPC/PCA language as the basis so there couldn't be an argument made that it was somehow "un-Reformed" to say that local churches can own their property, and then added the last sentence to close a potential loophole.

Here is the full text:

Article 33 – Property
Whereas it is the sole right of a congregation to hold title to its property, the ownership of all property, real and personal, held by a congregation of this federation is vested exclusively in that congregation, and title shall be taken in its name alone. Each congregation shall have exclusive control over all of its temporalities, nor shall the exercise of its property rights, through the decisions of its consistory, be subject to the supervision of the broader assemblies, nor shall the broader assemblies have the right to revise those decisions. The broader assemblies of the federation shall not attempt to secure possession of the property of any congregation, whether or not such congregation remains within, chooses to withdraw from, or is removed from the federation.
 
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