Wannabee
Obi Wan Kenobi
Have y'all heard of The Voice yet? It's put out by Thomas Nelson. You can download John's Gospel here.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
The Voice Translation
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I read more than John 1:1. It is horrible.
Ok, so Brian McLaren is the heavy weight on this? Ugh.
I want to smack anyone who says after reading a new translation: "I finally understand now what the Bible says! I never did before!" Umm... you don't now either.
Just do a quick glance and see how much italic text there is. This is more "dynamic" or paraphrase than the Message. I did not find one passage in John 1-3 that I thought was even decent, let alone better. Save your money.
Ok, so Brian McLaren is the heavy weight on this? Ugh.
I want to smack anyone who says after reading a new translation: "I finally understand now what the Bible says! I never did before!" Umm... you don't now either.
Just do a quick glance and see how much italic text there is. This is more "dynamic" or paraphrase than the Message. I did not find one passage in John 1-3 that I thought was even decent, let alone better. Save your money.
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
Just from reading John 1:1 my thoughts are,.
Um, I wouldn't be so kind.
nicnap
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I went on to read more, and I absolutely agree.
nicnap
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
Just from reading John 1:1 my thoughts are,
Um, I wouldn't be so kind.
'Twas the only available emoticon that could begin to express it...I wish I could convey it more.
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
Just from reading John 1:1 my thoughts are,
Um, I wouldn't be so kind.
'Twas the only available emoticon that could begin to express it...I wish I could convey it more.
also seem appropriate to me
nicnap
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
Aaah...so true. I concede, sir.
Wannabee
Obi Wan Kenobi
Wow! I've not seen you this worked up before Fred.
I thought it weak too, but didn't want to shade anyone's perception before they could see it for themselves. Heh, guess we don't have to worry about that now, do we? I do appreciate the PB discernment on this.
Wow! I've not seen you this worked up before Fred.
I thought it weak too, but didn't want to shade anyone's perception before they could see it for themselves. Heh, guess we don't have to worry about that now, do we? I do appreciate the PB discernment on this.
Thanks for the heads up about this, Joe.
I guess I am just beyond tired of "new translations."
Grymir
Puritan Board Graduate
This version is bad.
And arminian. John 1:13 ends "Because we are born of this world, we can only be reborn to God by accepting His call."
And since John the Baptist is now John the Immerser, I guess the baptism debate is over.
I won't even talk about Jesus being called Jesus the Liberator.
John 1:14 ends "evidenced in the perfect balance of grace and truth.", as opposed to "full of grace and truth". This implies a big philosophical difference. Hence a big theological difference.
O.k., I can't take any more. The "dialog" boxed that are supposes to be John speaking interspersed throughout the text are annoying and distracting, not to mention that some may take it for Biblical Text. This version is hard to read and follow.
Sigh. When will people learn that newer isn't better.
And arminian. John 1:13 ends "Because we are born of this world, we can only be reborn to God by accepting His call."
And since John the Baptist is now John the Immerser, I guess the baptism debate is over.
I won't even talk about Jesus being called Jesus the Liberator.
John 1:14 ends "evidenced in the perfect balance of grace and truth.", as opposed to "full of grace and truth". This implies a big philosophical difference. Hence a big theological difference.
O.k., I can't take any more. The "dialog" boxed that are supposes to be John speaking interspersed throughout the text are annoying and distracting, not to mention that some may take it for Biblical Text. This version is hard to read and follow.
Sigh. When will people learn that newer isn't better.
Grymir
Puritan Board Graduate
This next sentence was taken from the introduction.
Previously most Bibles and biblical reference works were produced by
professional scholars writing in academic settings. The Voice uniquely represents
collaboration among scholars, pastors, writers, musicians, poets, and
other artists.
Musicians, poets and other artists? Like professional scholars writing in academic settings is bad? Let's get Led Zepplin involved on a 'Stairway to Heaven' translation.
Previously most Bibles and biblical reference works were produced by
professional scholars writing in academic settings. The Voice uniquely represents
collaboration among scholars, pastors, writers, musicians, poets, and
other artists.
Musicians, poets and other artists? Like professional scholars writing in academic settings is bad? Let's get Led Zepplin involved on a 'Stairway to Heaven' translation.
SolaScriptura
Puritanboard Brimstone
I guess I'm not cool enough to appreciate The Voice.
I will say one thing, though... I do think that its rendition of John 3:16 is more accurate than is the "traditional" rendering. The point of "For God so loved" isn't the "God loved us SO much..." that we often get from reading the English, but rather, John was saying that this is how God loved us. John 3:16 is (in my opinion) conveying a sentiment almost identical to Rom 5:8.
Of course, the NET and the HCSB get it right (in my opinion) as well, and either of those Bibles would be vastly, VASTLY, better than The Voice.
Perhaps if I sip a vanilla latte while reading it then the profundity of it may hit me.
I will say one thing, though... I do think that its rendition of John 3:16 is more accurate than is the "traditional" rendering. The point of "For God so loved" isn't the "God loved us SO much..." that we often get from reading the English, but rather, John was saying that this is how God loved us. John 3:16 is (in my opinion) conveying a sentiment almost identical to Rom 5:8.
Of course, the NET and the HCSB get it right (in my opinion) as well, and either of those Bibles would be vastly, VASTLY, better than The Voice.
Perhaps if I sip a vanilla latte while reading it then the profundity of it may hit me.
Ivan
Pastor
I guess I am just beyond tired of "new translations."
Amen!
Wannabee
Obi Wan Kenobi
Doesn't work; at least not for me. I was sipping my very own home made vanilla latte while reading this for the first time. It escaped me. Perhaps I have to buy a $5 vanilla latte in order to truly grasp it...
SolaScriptura
Puritanboard Brimstone
Perhaps I need Birkenstocks too... maybe?
Wannabee
Obi Wan Kenobi
Nope, that doesn't work either.
Kidding - I wouldn't know Birken-whatever if someone slapped me across the face with 'em.
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
I fear if you want to appreciate "The Voice" and consider it a worthy venture rather than an insipid farce, you need to be smoking something also, and I don't mean a Don Lino.
Ivan
Pastor
Dude, that would hurt!
ReformedWretch
Puritan Board Doctor
That says it all. McLaren is an "emergent".
PointyHaired Calvinist
Puritan Board Junior
Most folks would need some major drugs to get anything out of this. Probably would fit in well in Asheville (Weirdsville).
If this is what Bible translation was coming to, maybe the King James and Geneva fans aren't as far off the mark as people say they are...
PS - Dittos on John 3.16. This verse impressed me about the HCSB.
If this is what Bible translation was coming to, maybe the King James and Geneva fans aren't as far off the mark as people say they are...
PS - Dittos on John 3.16. This verse impressed me about the HCSB.
AThornquist
Puritan Board Doctor
Well, they got the John the Immerser thing right, at least... 
Other than that, I think it sucks. I wish I had a copy, though... I want to burn it.
Other than that, I think it sucks. I wish I had a copy, though... I want to burn it.
Here's a short review of the book. You are also provided a link to the a PDF version of Voice:
A Little Leaven: The New Emergent "Translation" ***Updated**
A Little Leaven: The New Emergent "Translation" ***Updated**
bookslover
Puritan Board Doctor
So, the "emergent church" has its very own "translation" now.
Check this out: Extreme Theology. It's the lead article. An excerpt: "...not since the release of the Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures in 1950 has there been a Bible that so blatantly mangles and distorts God's Word in order to support a peculiar and aberrant theological agenda."
Shame on Thomas Nelson. How cynical of them.
Check this out: Extreme Theology. It's the lead article. An excerpt: "...not since the release of the Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures in 1950 has there been a Bible that so blatantly mangles and distorts God's Word in order to support a peculiar and aberrant theological agenda."
Shame on Thomas Nelson. How cynical of them.
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