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Originally posted by Bandguy
based on some of the reactions I have seen here. Although, I am glad it is not the same as what Sproul endorses in his book, I must admit as a person who is not really in Presbyterian circles, that I am still confused as to what it really is. Would someone mind putting this into clear layman's English to where I can understand?
Thanks.
Originally posted by Bandguy
Scott,
Certainly, you have an understanding of what it is since your website opposes the doctrine so strongly. Now, that in mind, would you please put in dummy english what it is without all the theological mumbo-jumbo? Thanks.
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Bandguy
Scott,
Certainly, you have an understanding of what it is since your website opposes the doctrine so strongly. Now, that in mind, would you please put in dummy english what it is without all the theological mumbo-jumbo? Thanks.
Simply put, they are redefining justification. However, they deny this; they say, 'You don't understand us'.
[Edited on 7-4-2006 by Scott Bushey]
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Bandguy
Scott,
Certainly, you have an understanding of what it is since your website opposes the doctrine so strongly. Now, that in mind, would you please put in dummy english what it is without all the theological mumbo-jumbo? Thanks.
Simply put, they are redefining justification. However, they deny this; they say, 'You don't understand us'.
[Edited on 7-4-2006 by Scott Bushey]
Could we say that they confuse justification and sanctification and thus include works in justification?
I think the FV is an overreaction to revivalism and other elements in broad evangelicalism.
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Bandguy
Scott,
Certainly, you have an understanding of what it is since your website opposes the doctrine so strongly. Now, that in mind, would you please put in dummy english what it is without all the theological mumbo-jumbo? Thanks.
Simply put, they are redefining justification. However, they deny this; they say, 'You don't understand us'.
[Edited on 7-4-2006 by Scott Bushey]
Could we say that they confuse justification and sanctification and thus include works in justification?
I think the FV is an overreaction to revivalism and other elements in broad evangelicalism.
Chris,
Thats the point, none of us know what to call it as they don't even know how to explain it!
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by Bandguy
Scott,
Certainly, you have an understanding of what it is since your website opposes the doctrine so strongly. Now, that in mind, would you please put in dummy english what it is without all the theological mumbo-jumbo? Thanks.
or pick up a lougie.........:bigsmile:
Simply put, they are redefining justification. However, they deny this; they say, 'You don't understand us'.
[Edited on 7-4-2006 by Scott Bushey]
Could we say that they confuse justification and sanctification and thus include works in justification?
I think the FV is an overreaction to revivalism and other elements in broad evangelicalism.
Chris,
Thats the point, none of us know what to call it as they don't even know how to explain it!
Like trying to nail jello to the wall.
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
The FV theology is Roman Catholicism repackaged with Covenantal Terms.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Start with my friend Guy Waters' excellent book:
<a href="http://www.reformation21.org/Reformation_21_Blog/Reformation_21_Blog/58/vobId__3491/">Federal Vision and Covenant Theology</a>