My wife and I were talking about this exact thing after listening to the 1st half this afternoon. On to the 2nd...Circumcision and the "land promise." I have heard that before. And it is inexplicable to me. On what basis is this made? How on earth can anyone take Gen12:1-3 and chop it up into bits, and then say "circumcision related to the land promise"? Where is this ever stated in the Bible?--and I'll even accept a NT reference (b/c I already know its noplace in the OT). Find me one place where we read that Israel believed they would stay safe in the land, if they just remembered to circumcize. Prophets do not inveigh against this view, nor do they support it. Instead, we have a people who as far as we can tell anything regarding circumcision, practiced it with a fair degree of consistency down to the day they were expelled from the land en mass.