LadyFlynt
Puritan Board Doctor
LadyFlynt,
My focus was on your claim that I somehow left things out in my response to you in order to promote my viewpoint. I do not leave things out of posts. I always answer posts completely in order to maintain context.
If the medium is inadequate then say that, not that I am somehow leaving out various parts of your posts in order to make you look bad.
There is no reason to go Holier than thou at this point, after you made unfounded accusations.
The topic is interesting, if we can actually stay on it.
CT
Went back and reread (as this thread was dead for a time). Upon rereading I believe you MISUNDERSTOOD my point.
There are some cultural issues that many white ministers cannot understand within other cultural communities. There are cultural issues that a minister who grew up middle class and makes a good living, drives a classy car, and lives in a gated community cannot understand within certain lower socioeconomic spheres.
Also, I did not intend to question your integrity, but my apologies for doing so (I see where I mispoke). And I don't appreciate you questioning mine with calling me "holier than thou". I never pulled an attitude on you. I also DID say, in another post though not directly at you, that this medium is not adequate.
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Perhaps this will help, perhaps not.
As I see it, and not really me, but the Bible; but are we not all members of the same covenant? Really, we can talk about white culture and black culture until we are all BLUE in the face (pun intended). But what we need to capture is a covenantal culture. In the covenant, the differences between races and ethnic peoples are erased forever!!! In the covenant, we should all see the oneness Paul talks about in Ephesians 4:4-6. In the covenant, we should not be separated by anything pertaining to this world.
You may say, that's fine for you, you like your worship because you're white. It's right up your alley. But can we really say that? Don't we all come to Mt. Zion? Don't we all get invited to a preview of the wedding feast? Isn't this the worship of God? Doesn't he provide everything we need to worship Him aright? Shouldn't I be comfortable in any place the Lord calls me to worship? And why is my comfort important? Why should I be offended if the saints don't welcome me as I want to be welcomed? God calls us to worship, we're not calling Him. If my perspective is white, black, yellow, or green, I'm not being called to worship by my God and savior, I'm calling myself. I am making the terms. If we're going to Mt. Zion, I can't say to any brother or sister, I don't want to go there on your bus.
Additionally, isn't the segregation of races and ethnic groups really saying to the hand, I don't need you. Isn't it withdrawing the right hand of fellowship? This is shameful within the church.
But just because someone offends me, does not mean I need to be offended. And just because someone doesn't accept me, doesn't mean I'm not accepted.
These differences are petty and small and do not see the long view or really understand the purpose of worship. We are rehearsing on earth, what is a reality in Heaven. At the wedding feast of the Lamb, there will be only those dressed in wedding clothes. There won't be white men, brown men, yellow men, etc. We're ONE bride, for pete's sake!
Let's reclaim the transcending truth of the covenant. Let's adopt the covenant culture instead of holding onto the stupidity of prejudice.
If you can't live in my culture and I can't live in yours, let's both move and live in the covenant.
In Christ,
KC
It's not segregation in that searching for black pastors does not exclude the support roles of white ministers in this out reach. They are simply dealing with the facts of certain situations.
Native Americans were educated and trained in seminaries so that they could be sent to start churches amoungst other Native Americans that did not trust certain types of white people. Was that segregationist or to the exclusion of white people? No. It was the white people that were being the support system and learning to deal with and reach out in what way they could. (we'll leave out the entire boarding school fiasco...but comparatively, training and sending back in other Native Americans was not damaging and offered something/someone to bridge the gap).
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