Thoughts on John Piper

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ReformedSpaniard

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What do you guys think of John Piper? I have listened to him, and he seems a bit shallow/liberal (politically) sometimes, but many orthodox people have him on top of their favorite preachers/theologians, so I wanted to hear from those who like him and dislike him.
 
He has some good things to say and is an effective, pastorally sensitive communicator. His Ask Pastor John segments can have some valuable advice in terms of practical application on topics not widely addressed. But he's not confessional, doesn't read the Reformed tradition with great accuracy, and teaches (though with some inconsistency) a doctrine of final justification. Read R. Scott Clark's Heidelblog posts on the topic.

So, a mixed bag. Would not discard but would not want it to be a staple of my theological diet.
 
He's a fantastic preacher, and was my gateway into reformed theology. He certainly believes in the doctrines of grace, but he's not what would traditionally be called "reformed". He is non-confessional and holds to New Covenant theology.

I think he's a gateway/introduction to reformed theology for many who are beginning to hold to the doctrines of grace. As the previous comment says, I certainly wouldn't avoid him completely, but be discerning when learning from him.

I would certainly recommend his book "Providence" as a great study on God's sovereignty.
 
Not only do I enjoy John Pipers preaching, I also enjoy what he stands for. His preaching is sound, serious, yet not monotone. There is an emotion in the way he delivers his messages that makes you want to listen; expressing joy where joy should be expressed; and severity when the text calls for seriousness. He also has been a major proponent of Puritan literature; which I am sure many on this board can appreciate. Also, I like his attitude on his resources. When he writes a book, he sells the print, but offers most, if not all free for eBook download. His sermon series, spanning 1,300 sermons is the least expensive set in Logos, by a long shot, at under $50. I just really like him. Seems to be genuine, not just in word, but in deed as well.
 
Was good, and one of the key figures who led to the Reformed resurgence... but as time has gone by he became less and less helpful and more and more harmful. Now I have little to no use for him.
 
Might as well add myself to the tally of people who were introduced to reformed thought by John Piper. As an young believer, I was greatly helped by the seriousness that comes over in his preaching. I needed that.

I also enjoyed his podcast for years, but have since taken up more confessional material in my downtime for listening.

I recommend him in short bursts, on subjects where he does excel in faithfulness. Can't say that I knew he held to New Covenant Theology though....is this a stated fact?
 
Might as well add myself to the tally of people who were introduced to reformed thought by John Piper. As an young believer, I was greatly helped by the seriousness that comes over in his preaching. I needed that.

I also enjoyed his podcast for years, but have since taken up more confessional material in my downtime for listening.

I recommend him in short bursts, on subjects where he does excel in faithfulness. Can't say that I knew he held to New Covenant Theology though....is this a stated fact?
Here's an article from Desiring God on this https://www.desiringgod.org/article...m-covenant-theology-and-new-covenant-theology.

It looks like officially he only "leans" toward NCT.
 
Amazing preacher. Convinced me of Calvinism early on in my walk. Cultural commentary has been extremely disappointing as of late. Don’t really listen to him anymore but will always love him
 
I agree with most here. Here’s a thought:

Since he is not confessional, people introduced to Reformed theology via Piper tend to have a lopsided view of sovereignty because Piper emphasizes it heavily. Speaking from experience, it’s difficult to course correct from that.
 
Pretty much what others have said. I wasn't a huge follower of him initially, rather it was MacArthur for me. Piper is great on sovereignty and I am quite thankful he adheres to, and defends, justification by faith alone with imputation, despite being muddy on the last judgment.
If you're an Uber-complementarian, he's the guy to follow...which is why I started to stop following him even on the good things he says. He has said some weird things on that front In my humble opinion.
What good he says has been said better by other more confessional writers.
 
I agree with most here. Here’s a thought:

Since he is not confessional, people introduced to Reformed theology via Piper tend to have a lopsided view of sovereignty because Piper emphasizes it heavily. Speaking from experience, it’s difficult to course correct from that.
Can you elaborate on this a bit?
 
I love Piper! His preaching is serious and edifying. He does a great job emphasizing the great holiness of God and the importance of how affections play into the Christian life. He is also an excellent biblical theologian in many respects, and many of his books in that realm are worth reading (including the massive Providence). I think he is weak in systematics, and really doesn't seem concerned with being a totally systematic thinker, which can be bothersome, especially for those who are very systematics-oriented.
 
I have never listened to him simply bc he is not coffessional nor reformed and especially bc he is a charismatic.
 
I would add my appreciation for John Piper's teaching here.
 
I have never listened to him simply bc he is not coffessional nor reformed and especially bc he is a charismatic.
He is a continuationist but a very cautious one. I would not group him with the more damaging/dangerous wing of the modern charismatic movement.

Not that that is what you meant, just wanted to clarify for the OP.
 
John Piper was helpful to me early on in pointing me to many solid Reformed resources as one of the earlier more Reformed authors I read. John Piper is a big scholar of Jonathan Edwards and I wouldn't have gotten around to Edwards as soon without Piper. I also was introduced to the Westminster Shorter Catechism through Piper's "twist" on Q.1 at the start of Desiring God, although I now believe Piper got it wrong.

Piper is certainly a good scholar in his own right and many of his books are quite good.

I was disappointed in Piper over the years giving approval to some very problematic teachers like Rick Warren, Douglas Wilson, and Mark Driscoll. Those references are obviously dated, but I disagreed with him on all three of those men and believe they were and are problematic enough to be avoided.
 
I read his book Providence, thought he said some good things but it was needlessly verbose. When he seemed to endorse voting for Biden in the last election, I wrote him off.
 
I understand that many people were greatly helped by Piper's preaching, and so I do not wish to be insensitive, but as someone who had to admit recently that a minister I greatly loved betrayed our trust on the issue of the gospel itself, I am not afraid of questioning someone who greatly helped me and whom I admired.

Piper's view of justification greatly troubles me, and I have always been a little wary of his teachings, though I never thought until now that he was truly concerning. He seems to be one of the great masters of the word salad (he may have said something that helped you, and maybe he hasn't always been like this, but I have noticed that a lot of at least what I have heard of him has been either random or ambiguous and so it is rare that he actually comes out with clear-cut error, but he often is too soft on people that deserve critique and harsh on the right thing). If you haven't heard about this, I would recommend watching Rev. Patrick Hines on the issue. He seems harsh at some points, but it is because he has watched the whole thing before he shows the parts that make your heart drop. I really think he is gracious overall but critical in a godly way. TLDW: What he teaches is almost a heresy, and quite popish, and not the Puritan definition of final justification – that what we call justification and what he calls initial justification is us getting to a point wherein we can please God and He favours us, and then that final justification and what we call just ordinary justification once more is when we are actually saved – and he does appear to believe that one can be initially justified but not 'going to heaven', falling into Galatianism in the middle of his train of thought, although he understands the passage correctly. He seems to misinterpret James in a similar way to papists, and so his soteriology follows (initial justification being comparable to the 'state of grace' of Rome). Nevertheless, if anyone is quick to judge this assessment of the situation, I would highly recommend watching the video on Christian Sermons and Audio Books on YouTube.

I am also concerned (but less so, yet I think it points to a greater issue) by his rewriting of the catechism's first question, which I was not so annoyed by until some ministers kept quoting him and saying they agree with him (almost as if they were saying above the Westminster Divines' work of great godly wisdom) and the fact that he, New Calvinists, and 'Piperites' hardly understand the Standards they claim to respect. He completely misunderstands the intention of their usage of the word 'enjoy' and therefore endeavours to redefine the catechism and redirect our wills to his 'Christian hedonism' (which to me seemed OK at first but now appears abhorrent in hindsight). (This is, his 'It should be "Man's chief end is to glorify God by enjoying Him for ever"', which implies and has caused many followers to believe that happiness is more important than serving, though serving should be done in joy. We have too much will-worship these days to be perpetuating such an interpretation – and the enjoying is not necessarily the joy one gets during Christian experiences such as joyful parts of worship, thanksgiving, reward, good providence, and hearing of the gospel, but the whole experience of God, and it seems quite man-centred. As far as I am aware (who knows little in this regard, which actually concerns me more about the greatly academic Piper), unregenerate man glorifies God passively (insofar as God uses him for His glory) and enjoys the common graces of this life, and regenerate man glorifies God actively and enjoys eternal life and all the blessings and benefits which accompany or flow from justification, adoption, and sanctification, and so all are 'enjoying' Him in a purely spiritual sense and not an emotional one, therefore 'Christian hedonism' has nothing to do with this.)

We cannot afford to compromise on such issues as he has erred on to a doubt-inspiring degree, especially in this day and age wherein many ministers are exegeting correctly in many a way, but are sidestepping or confounding the core gospel, and doubly especially as Confessionally Reformed Christians.
 
I still enjoy Piper. He really was the man I started to listen to in my early conversion days and his APJ podcast has helped me greatly over the years. His preaching is very passionate and he cares deeply for the doctrines of grace and God’s sovereignty. True, not confessional, but he is immensely helpful, in my humble opinion.
 
I subtly hinted at it...

Another thing I have noticed with Piper on is a tendency to bind consciences...
This is not out of step with many of the Puritans. I'm sure you have observed reading them, they will call out people on matters from clothing, to hunting, to stage-plays, to pubs, recreation, and the list can on. I think it is important to deal with each as it fits into the context in which it was mentioned. Christian liberty doenst mean free for all, and after all, it is a shepherds job to guard his sheep.
 
Can you elaborate on this a bit?
Sure. What I mean is he is not famous for his doctrine of God, or his doctrine of Christ, which are very fundamental doctrines. Therefore, listening heavily to his teaching led to an over emphasis of some truths at the cost of others. Sovereignty became more important to me than the Trinity.

Sorry, I’m only typing with one thumb so I’m keeping it short:)

Overall I think his early ministry was very fruitful… until the last few years, maybe since Covid.
 
This is not out of step with many of the Puritans. I'm sure you have observed reading them, they will call out people on matters from clothing, to hunting, to stage-plays, to pubs, recreation, and the list can on. I think it is important to deal with each as it fits into the context in which it was mentioned. Christian liberty doenst mean free for all, and after all, it is a shepherds job to guard his sheep.

Agreed that it doesn't mean "free for all" (something no one here advocated), but it looked like he tried to bind consciences on whether one should defend one's wife and children if an attacker breaks in.
 
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