NASB 2020 Thoughts?

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Blood-Bought Pilgrim

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Now that some time has passed, what are people’s thoughts on the NASB 2020? I just ordered a copy to really check it out for the first time.

I like their philosophy on gender language, and I’ve heard it is a good bit more readable as well.

Any thoughts from you all? I’d also be curious if you know of any churches which have adopted it for public use?
 
I'm unaware of any churches that have adopted it for public use. I bought a copy a few years ago but honestly didn't read from it all that much. That said, I've really grown to appreciate the NASB 1995 and the LSB for that matter and could see myself giving the 2020 a go for my Bible reading plan one of these years. If you end up in love with the 2020 shoot me a PM and I'll arrange to send you my like-new black Schuyler Stridon.
 
I have yet to be a member of or visit a church that uses the NASB at all. It's almost always been the ESV or NIV, and in some cases the KJV or NKJV. It's possible most lay people don't even know it exists (the 2020 version). I have always like the NASB, but I don't think there is enough there to really set it apart from the ESV.
 
I have yet to be a member of or visit a church that uses the NASB at all. It's almost always been the ESV or NIV, and in some cases the KJV or NKJV. It's possible most lay people don't even know it exists (the 2020 version). I have always like the NASB, but I don't think there is enough there to really set it apart from the ESV.
This could be a good poll question - which versions people have seen in a church pew. For me it's KJV, NKJV, NIV, NRSV, and ESV.
 
Early on I was very much looking forward to the update, but as they would post examples of updates I don't think I came across a single change that I liked more than the original. I'm just looking at some now and I prefer the 1995 nearly everywhere.

You can compare all the changes here:
 
Now that some time has passed, what are people’s thoughts on the NASB 2020? I just ordered a copy to really check it out for the first time.

I like their philosophy on gender language, and I’ve heard it is a good bit more readable as well.

Any thoughts from you all? I’d also be curious if you know of any churches which have adopted it for public use?
Have been using the NASB for nearly 25 years. Love it. Skimmed through the 2020 version and I just don't care for it. In my opinion it makes the language more clunky and unnatural. Sticking with the 95.
 
When I first came to Christ in 1980 my PCA church plant used NASB and that has been my Bible of choice ever since. I travel with a smaller ESV and my current OPC Church uses NIV 1984. I have John from the newest NASB and it just seems kind of flat -- I can't put my finger on why.
 
Which churches? I wonder if there are particular denominations that are more likely to use the NASB.
While there are some younger brothers who preach from it, it is mainly popular among older pastors who came of age in the 70s-90s. (The NKJV skews older too, especially compared to the ESV.) A lot of Southern Baptists used to use it, although commonly you'd see members with the easier NIV. (The general editor of the HCSB said that Holman/Lifeway "tried to buy" the NASB but were rebuffed and so they developed the HCSB and eventually the CSB.) There were several Southern Baptist scholars on the 2020 committee.

It has been very popular among dispensational independent Bible churches and similar. Many of the original translators were connected to either Talbot or Dallas Theological Seminary. (However the names were withheld until 1995 from what I understand.) So that may account for its popularity among Dispensationalists, along with early adoption and promotion by Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley, Ryrie, MacArthur, and others. (Swindoll switched to the NLT years ago however.) I don't think you can find a whole lot of dispensational slant in the the NASB though. A lot of Reformed leaning people have used it. I think Albert Mohler and Ligon Duncan may continue to use it. The minister in the OPC congregation I used to belong to used it. He'd be in his 70s now.
 
Now that some time has passed, what are people’s thoughts on the NASB 2020? I just ordered a copy to really check it out for the first time.

I like their philosophy on gender language, and I’ve heard it is a good bit more readable as well.

Any thoughts from you all? I’d also be curious if you know of any churches which have adopted it for public use?
I don't know what the percentage is, but a lot of is still unchanged from the 77. But then you'll run into the kind of thing you'd expect to find in the CSB.

I think one is probably best served approaching it with an open mind. Those who come to it with a preconceived notion of what the NASB is supposed to be are likely to be disappointed unless they weren't fans of the NASB before. Longtime NASB users will appreciate some things like moving literal renderings from the margin to the text in some places. Gender aside, they've moved away from traditional renderings and language in a number of places. (An example would be "remain in Me" rather than the traditional "abide in Me." Almost all of the verses that are "missing" in versions like the ESV and NIV have now been relegated to the margin. Most of those were previously left in the text with brackets. Sometimes words would be "omitted" but the NASB didn't skip verses in passages like John 5. It seems to me that's another example of them abandoning traditionalism. I don't know how much of leaving that in before had to do with any sort of conviction on their part and how much of it was because they knew people would be upset with "missing verses." The footnotes usually made it clear they didn't think those variants were in the original.
 
Have been using the NASB for nearly 25 years. Love it. Skimmed through the 2020 version and I just don't care for it. In my opinion it makes the language more clunky and unnatural. Sticking with the 95.
I wouldn't say it is unnatural unless "natural" means that it retains more of the familiar cadences of the KJV, or that it "sounds like the Bible." What I think the changes do is make the NASB even more pedestrian, which to me was a problem at times to begin with. In one of his YouTube reviews, Grant Jones posted a graphic entitled something like "Mixing water with the wine?" that makes this point quite well. And that was in reference to the 95. (And Jones likes the NASB, generally speaking.) Some of those types of changes through the years are arguably not much easier or more accurate than what was there before. And it is a persistent theme with the NASB. A lot of people are going to say the NASB is too hard. So they might as well be even more literal and include things like "Gird up the loins of your mind" in the text. But the NASB has more of a commitment to modern English than even the ESV. That's been the case since the 95 if not before. Some people would argue that commitment is at odds with "literal" translation, or at least that those aims are somewhat in tension. While the 2020 is still quite literal, they don't have emphasize that it is "literal" or "word-for-word" on the website, the box, or in promotional material like they did in the past.
 
Have been using the NASB for nearly 25 years. Love it. Skimmed through the 2020 version and I just don't care for it. In my opinion it makes the language more clunky and unnatural. Sticking with the 95.
Clunky and unnatural is the NASB's brand. Has been since the beginning.
 
While there are some younger brothers who preach from it, it is mainly popular among older pastors who came of age in the 70s-90s.
Our minister uses it - if I remember correctly, his reason for doing so is it is what he used growing up. The pew text is the ESV. So the public Scripture reading is from the 95 NASB and I follow along in my old Geneva, occasionally looking sideways at my son's text as he follows along in the ESV pew Bible. :scratch:
It has been very popular among dispensational independent Bible churches and similar.
That was my experience growing up in such a congregation.
 
I attend a KJV church so i have not come across this version of the Bible. I was advised to use the pre 1995 NASB to improve my English along with the KJV.
 
John MacArthur rejected the NASB2020. As a result he arranged a team to produce the LSB. Is the LSB an improvement on the NASB2020? Interested in people's thoughts.
 
Clunky and unnatural is the NASB's brand. Has been since the beginning.
Maybe. But I sleep better at night knowing that the NASB 95 is an accurate account of God's Word, rather than a dynamic equivalence translation such as the NIV.
 
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John MacArthur rejected the NASB2020. As a result he arranged a team to produce the LSB. Is the LSB an improvement on the NASB2020? Interested in people's thoughts.
Most opinions on the LSB are going to center around the usage of "Yahweh," the insistence on using "slave" every time and maybe a handful of other differences with the 95. A lot of people insist that what the NASB20 does with gender language is cultural compromise even if it isn't as bad as the CSB or the NIV. And there are other changes in the 2020 that some will disagree with, such as getting rid of "only begotten," relegating almost all TR and MT readings to the margin the way the ESV and NIV do, and modernizing allegedly archaic words and phrases that some would argue really aren't very archaic and which are still in fairly common usage. (The same could be said for some of the changes made in 95, although overall I do think it represents at least a slight improvement over the 77.)

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who prefer the LSB. The first are the types who thought that the NASB should have been made even more literal, which to many necessarily entails making it less immediately accessible to the man on the street. (This could include the idea that they should just give up on any hope of being a mainstream translation that is in wide usage, which is what would happen if it were made as literal as possible with little regard to readability in English. Ironically the 95 is probably in somewhat more modern English than the ESV most of the time, even if it tends to be less elegant at the same time.) The second are people who think our Bibles should have "Yahweh" instead of LORD. And of course there are some in both camps.

The question is whether or not the LSB is an improvement over the 95. And there seem to be quite a few people who prefer the 95 to both the LSB and the 2020. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it is the majority, especially among those who were already using the 95. (I can't imagine that there are very many people who think that BOTH the LSB and the 2020 are improvements over the 95.) There was some concern that the 95 might be abandoned or whatever and that it would go out of print or maybe only be available in a small number of editions. But Lockman has demonstrated a commitment to the 95 beyond what might have been realistically expected or hoped for. Zondervan also came out with quite a few new editions, although I'm not sure if they have done many new ones in the past 2-3 years. Ironically the NASB 95 has probably been more widely available in a greater number of editions in the past few years (and with better quality) than at any time in the last 20-25 years.
 
. A lot of people insist that what the NASB20 does with gender language is cultural compromise even if it isn't as bad as the CSB or the NIV.
Appreciated your thoughtful response, Chris.

I do not think the CSB is 'bad'. Certainly I would rate it significantly better than the NIV. Although I have not checked this for myself, I would assume that both the CSB and the NASB2020 have been rather cautious re the use of gender language.
It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who prefer the LSB. The first are the types who thought that the NASB should have been made even more literal,
I believe the LSB went back to the very literal NASB77.
which to many necessarily entails making it less immediately accessible to the man on the street
The NASB has been seen as a translation for serious Bible study, not a translation for the man on the street. The CSB is more geared towards the man on the street.
 
John MacArthur rejected the NASB2020. As a result he arranged a team to produce the LSB. Is the LSB an improvement on the NASB2020? Interested in people's thoughts.

This may be a complete redirection, but I'd heard that MacArthur didn't start using the LSB even after he commissioned it and made such a big deal of endorsing it. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, it really does beg the question, why not just stick with the NASB95?
 
Appreciated your thoughtful response, Chris.

I do not think the CSB is 'bad'. Certainly I would rate it significantly better than the NIV. Although I have not checked this for myself, I would assume that both the CSB and the NASB2020 have been rather cautious re the use of gender language.

I believe the LSB went back to the very literal NASB77.

The NASB has been seen as a translation for serious Bible study, not a translation for the man on the street. The CSB is more geared towards the man on the street.
The LSB started with the 95 as their base text and made a few tweaks. They may have reverted to a few 77 renderings here and there, but it is a revision of the 95. I haven’t heard that they went back to the 77 method of insisting that you have to have “And” in the text all of those times, for example, which is something that some advocates of formal equivalence used to argue was necessary for a version to be literal and word-for-word, and which may be the main change the 95 made when it comes to allegedly being a little less literal. (If you’re familiar with the 77 you’ll know what I’m referring to.)

As for the NASB being for study or the man on the street, arguably their stated aims are in conflict when it comes to that, (or at least that’s what sometimes happens with how they execute said aims) and it is increasingly geared toward the man on the street even if he (or should I say “they” lol) isn’t buying regardless. Even in the 77 they sometimes shy away from phrases like “gird up the loins of your mind,” instead rendering it in more modern English terms the way that less literal versions would. Some of us Bible geeks prefer to see “gird up the loins…” in the text if it is in the original. It is a big reason why I chose the NKJV over the NASB about 25 years ago. To me it was arguably more accurate (especially if you prefer its textual basis) and it was more enjoyable to read. I only went back to reading the NASB regularly because I got to where I couldn’t read red letters anymore and couldn’t find a NKJV that I could actually read.

For years I’ve said that the NASB is fine until you start comparing it to other versions. Before long, you start asking why they went in a certain direction. I’ve often found that I preferred the KJV or NKJV or ESV or CSB (maybe even the NIV occasionally) and most of the time they were at least as literal, if not more. I’ve subjected the NASB to more scrutiny than any other version. With other versions, I can usually figure out why they did what they did based on their stated principles. With the NASB too often either it doesn’t make sense, or it seems pretty clear it could have been done in a different way that would have made it more elegant, at least equally literal, and no less understandable for most people, especially those who are looking for a literal translation that is supposedly in the KJV tradition, however far removed. I don’t know if you are familiar with the YouTuber Grant Jones, but in one NASB review he displays a graphic he made with the heading “Mixing water with the wine?” which gave examples of some of those head scratchers. And that was regarding the 95.

All that being said, I do think all versions of the NASB are useful for study, in my totally amateur opinion.

When it comes to gender language, both the CSB and NASB 2020 occasionally do it in a way that will appear to be unnatural modern English to some because the translators think it is necessary in order to accurately convey what the original is saying with regard to plural vs singular, for example. Mark Strauss, a NIV translator, points this out in his review of the CSB. The NASB 2020 intro explains their method when it comes to pronouns.
 
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This may be a complete redirection, but I'd heard that MacArthur didn't start using the LSB even after he commissioned it and made such a big deal of endorsing it. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, it really does beg the question, why not just stick with the NASB95?
Miracles do happen, even among cessationists, but it appears that MacArthur’s days in the pulpit may be behind him. I’d be surprised if he has preached more than a few dozen times since the LSB came out. He hasn’t preached regularly in the evenings in years and increasingly others have been filling the pulpit in the mornings as well.

I think it may boil down to being comfortable with a particular Bible and him being at the end of his ministry. MacArthur isn’t going to bring an iPad into the pulpit, assuming he even owns one. Being able to flip right where you want to in a familiar Bible is underrated.
 
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