caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Link doesn't work. I actually have a Wide Margin Cambridge NIV
Looking for ESV
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Link doesn't work. I actually have a Wide Margin Cambridge NIV
Looking for ESV
Ivan
Pastor
Yeah, I couldn't get it to work either. I'm interested in a wide margin, but only KJV or NKJV.
Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
Ivan
Pastor
Danke! Not a bad price.
matthew11v25
Puritan Board Sophomore
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Ok, now I'm salavating....
Opinions on :
Wide margin edition, morocco goatskin leather, red letter text, two ribbon markers, art gilt page edges, lined writing paper, maps.
vs.
Wide margin edition, French Morocco leather, red letter text, two ribbon markers, lined writing paper, gilt page edges, maps.
Yes, both (however neither are Allan's special bindings):
2 NKJV Cambridge Bibles and 2 KJV Cambridge Reference Concord Editions.
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Ok, here's another question, this time regarding type face.
I thought I had narrowed my choice to either the Brevier Blackface or the Brevier Clarendon with the preference going to the BB because it is the exact size of my current Bible, a size which is very handy to use in church. The self-pronouncing feature initially wasn't a problem because it's in my current Bible and is very handy especially when reading the OT and in Sunday school where our teacher has a bear of a time pronouncing the OT names.
However......I read Mark Bertrand's review of the Blackface where he said even "Jesus" is self-pronouncing (my 30yo Cambridge doesn't go that far) and that the black type is hard on the eyes. On the website the Clarendon is listed as slightly smaller than the Blackface and the print seems to be a bit smaller as well, but it's hard to tell when flipping from one web page to another. I just requested a catalogue but personal opinions would be much appreciated!
I thought I had narrowed my choice to either the Brevier Blackface or the Brevier Clarendon with the preference going to the BB because it is the exact size of my current Bible, a size which is very handy to use in church. The self-pronouncing feature initially wasn't a problem because it's in my current Bible and is very handy especially when reading the OT and in Sunday school where our teacher has a bear of a time pronouncing the OT names.
However......I read Mark Bertrand's review of the Blackface where he said even "Jesus" is self-pronouncing (my 30yo Cambridge doesn't go that far) and that the black type is hard on the eyes. On the website the Clarendon is listed as slightly smaller than the Blackface and the print seems to be a bit smaller as well, but it's hard to tell when flipping from one web page to another. I just requested a catalogue but personal opinions would be much appreciated!I just wrote out the comparison of features listed for both editions and the only difference seems to be that the self pronouncing text in the Blackface is substituted with chapter summaries in the Clarendon and that the edging finishes are different.
So.....it all boils down to the question of whether the type will be comfortably readable and Ezekiel16 gives it very high marks. I'm hoping that the print catalogue's examples of the print will be clear enough to compare with my 30yo Cambridge whose print is very clear and ledgible.
So.....it all boils down to the question of whether the type will be comfortably readable and Ezekiel16 gives it very high marks. I'm hoping that the print catalogue's examples of the print will be clear enough to compare with my 30yo Cambridge whose print is very clear and ledgible.
Blueridge Believer
Puritan Board Professor
I recieved my Long Primer full yap goatskin last week. The quality is excellent and the workmanship is superb. However, it is no nicer quality than my Cambridge presentation edition goatskin in my opinion. I would reccomend either for someone wanting to purchase a fine quality bible.
Casey
Puritan Board Junior
I'd be interested in a really high quality NKJV Bible, and the Cambridge Bibles look great -- but one looks too tiny, and the other has dimensions that are gargantuan. 
Are there other options for the NKJV translation of similar quality?
(I just requested a catalogue from Allen's, so maybe they've got some options -- hopefully with photos so I have some idea what they look like!)
Are there other options for the NKJV translation of similar quality?
(I just requested a catalogue from Allen's, so maybe they've got some options -- hopefully with photos so I have some idea what they look like!)
Sue,
Though I do not own a Blackface I somehow doubt that "Jesus" is printed with the self-pronouncing text. I purchased a Longprimer by Oxford with self-pronouncing text and it did not apply to "Jesus." I think Mr. Bertrand was just giving an example of what self-pronouncing text looks like.
While ordering the catalog will provide excitement about Allan's quality craftsmanship, I'm not sure the pictures and information provided will necessarily settle your mind between the two. The font in the catalog looks practically identical. The only thing that is tiny about the Clarendon is the chapter summaries (and you do get to see this in the catalog), while the main text is very readable in both.
If you would like some pictures of my Clarendon I would be happy send some your way. My digital camera isn't the best in the world but I know what it feels like to want more info on a big purchase. It is an absolutely marvelous bible and reading it is a daily pleasure. I can't imagine that anyone could be dissappointed.
Blessings,
Though I do not own a Blackface I somehow doubt that "Jesus" is printed with the self-pronouncing text. I purchased a Longprimer by Oxford with self-pronouncing text and it did not apply to "Jesus." I think Mr. Bertrand was just giving an example of what self-pronouncing text looks like.
While ordering the catalog will provide excitement about Allan's quality craftsmanship, I'm not sure the pictures and information provided will necessarily settle your mind between the two. The font in the catalog looks practically identical. The only thing that is tiny about the Clarendon is the chapter summaries (and you do get to see this in the catalog), while the main text is very readable in both.
If you would like some pictures of my Clarendon I would be happy send some your way. My digital camera isn't the best in the world but I know what it feels like to want more info on a big purchase. It is an absolutely marvelous bible and reading it is a daily pleasure. I can't imagine that anyone could be dissappointed.
Blessings,
Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
I'd be interested in a really high quality NKJV Bible, and the Cambridge Bibles look great -- but one looks too tiny, and the other has dimensions that are gargantuan.
Are there other options for the NKJV translation of similar quality?
(I just requested a catalogue from Allen's, so maybe they've got some options -- hopefully with photos so I have some idea what they look like!)
The Pitt Minion is a little too small for my taste as well, especially when the price tag is taken into account. It would be great if Cambridge would come out with the NKJV in a Cameo or Concord edition. But they have only started issuing NKJV's within the last year or so, so maybe they will.
The other premium option that I know of is Nelson's Signature Series. Lifeway often has some in stock, and you can find them at some independent Christian bookstores too. J. Mark Bertrand has a post about the Signature Series here. Although the particular bible he reviews there is KJV, his comments are applicable to the series as a whole. Another option of course is having one rebound.
Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
I was in a bookstore today and did see "Jesus" printed in self pronouncing type in one of the bibles. I think it may have been the blackface but I am not 100% certain.
I'd be interested in a really high quality NKJV Bible, and the Cambridge Bibles look great -- but one looks too tiny, and the other has dimensions that are gargantuan.
Are there other options for the NKJV translation of similar quality?
(I just requested a catalogue from Allen's, so maybe they've got some options -- hopefully with photos so I have some idea what they look like!)
The Pitt Minion is a little too small for my taste as well, especially when the price tag is taken into account. It would be great if Cambridge would come out with the NKJV in a Cameo or Concord edition. But they have only started issuing NKJV's within the last year or so, so maybe they will.
The other premium option that I know of is Nelson's Signature Series. Lifeway often has some in stock, and you can find them at some independent Christian bookstores too. J. Mark Bertrand has a post about the Signature Series here. Although the particular bible he reviews there is KJV, his comments are applicable to the series as a whole. Another option of course is having one rebound.
Hey Chris,
I actually have the NKJV Nelson Signature Bible as well. In case people haven't caught on yet, I collect bibles. My pastor preaches from the NKJV so I bring this bible to service on Sundays.
Simply put, it's a very nice bible. But is it up to Allan's standards? I'd be dishonest if I said yes. Nelson's version lacks the high quality, acid free India paper, the art gilt edges, and also uses glue in places where Allan's is hand stitched.
What Nelson's does have on par with RL Allan is wonderful, supple calfskin leather. It's soft as a glove and a pleasure to hold. I've had mine for nearly four years now and it only gets softer with use.
In a nutshell, Nelson does a great job and is heads and tails above any bible you'd get at your local bookstore. However there's great and then there's Cambridge and RL Allan. I can't understate the difference in quality.
jmarkbertrand
Inactive User
Self-Pronouncing Jesus
Just to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render "Jesus" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) "Christ" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
Just to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render "Jesus" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) "Christ" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
I'd be interested in a really high quality NKJV Bible, and the Cambridge Bibles look great -- but one looks too tiny, and the other has dimensions that are gargantuan.
Are there other options for the NKJV translation of similar quality?
(I just requested a catalogue from Allen's, so maybe they've got some options -- hopefully with photos so I have some idea what they look like!)
The Pitt Minion is a little too small for my taste as well, especially when the price tag is taken into account. It would be great if Cambridge would come out with the NKJV in a Cameo or Concord edition. But they have only started issuing NKJV's within the last year or so, so maybe they will.
The other premium option that I know of is Nelson's Signature Series. Lifeway often has some in stock, and you can find them at some independent Christian bookstores too. J. Mark Bertrand has a post about the Signature Series here. Although the particular bible he reviews there is KJV, his comments are applicable to the series as a whole. Another option of course is having one rebound.
Hey Chris,
I actually have the NKJV Nelson Signature Bible as well. In case people haven't caught on yet, I collect bibles. My pastor preaches from the NKJV so I bring this bible to service on Sundays.
Simply put, it's a very nice bible. But is it up to Allan's standards? I'd be dishonest if I said yes. Nelson's version lacks the high quality, acid free India paper, the art gilt edges, and also uses glue in places where Allan's is hand stitched.
What Nelson's does have on par with RL Allan is wonderful, supple calfskin leather. It's soft as a glove and a pleasure to hold. I've had mine for nearly four years now and it only gets softer with use.
In a nutshell, Nelson does a great job and is heads and tails above any bible you'd get at your local bookstore. However there's great and then there's Cambridge and RL Allan. I can't understate the difference in quality.
I tend to agree. Nelson deserves high marks for the leather, but at times the paper in the Signature Series doesn't seem to be much better than what they put in their ordinary Bibles.
Sue, as one who has both the Blackface and the Clarendon, I MUCH prefer my Clarendon, I think the print is better, I do not like the self pronouncing text in the Blackface, I even like the Chapter intros in the Clarendon. Overall.....I think it s the better Bible!Ok, here's another question, this time regarding type face.
I thought I had narrowed my choice to either the Brevier Blackface or the Brevier Clarendon with the preference going to the BB because it is the exact size of my current Bible, a size which is very handy to use in church. The self-pronouncing feature initially wasn't a problem because it's in my current Bible and is very handy especially when reading the OT and in Sunday school where our teacher has a bear of a time pronouncing the OT names.
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Sue, as one who has both the Blackface and the Clarendon, I MUCH prefer my Clarendon, I think the print is better, I do not like he self pronouncing text in the Blackface, I even like the Chapter intros in the Clarendon. Overall.....I think it s the better Bible!Ok, here's another question, this time regarding type face.
I thought I had narrowed my choice to either the Brevier Blackface or the Brevier Clarendon with the preference going to the BB because it is the exact size of my current Bible, a size which is very handy to use in church. The self-pronouncing feature initially wasn't a problem because it's in my current Bible and is very handy especially when reading the OT and in Sunday school where our teacher has a bear of a time pronouncing the OT names.
I received my Allan's catalogue the other day (it only took 5 days from the UK!!) and was able to see the print. Also.....the catalogue showed a Cambridge Cameo Bible - the same Bible I am about to retire, and it was done up in full yapp highland goatskin - I was so excited!!! Then, I checked the order form and it was not listed. I then emailed the company and was told that this particular Cambridge Bible is out of print and they don't know when or if it will be reissued - bummer!!! So, when the time comes, I'll be ordering the Clarendon and am sure I'll be very happy with it.
I also asked about their ESV. I bought an ESV Reformation Bible for my dh for Christmas of '06 and we are less than impressed with it. The notes are very good but the physical quality isn't. The paper is very thin and I've had to repair quite a few pages. The folks at Allan's told me that they use a UK printer instead of Crossway and that their paper, although not India paper, is of a better quality. They are planning a reprint sometime this summer and we'll probably check out this Bible at that time. Chuck's present one is not going to hold up very well as a "Sunday-go-to-meetin' Bible" and is better suited as a reference book on his desk. Sure would make life simpler if he would just go back to KJV - we could just order a Long Primer and be done with it!
Oh, my Geneva Bible arrived Monday - it was ordered last Wednesday - talk about fast shipping. It is very nice - better quality than the RB - and reads very much like the KJV. I prefer the size of the Clarendon for taking to church so this one will be my desk version. I think I'm going to like it a lot and even Chuck said it wasn't difficult to read aloud, except for its imposed speech impediments - th, th, th!!
Pleasure to see you on the PB Mr. Bertrand! Kudos on a fine book in (Re)thinking Worldview as well as a great site.
Just to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render \"Jesus\" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) \"Christ\" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Just to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render "Jesus" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) "Christ" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
Welcom Mark! I have read a number of your bible reviews over the past couple of years. Finally bit the bullet and ordered an Allen Bible. It should be here tomorrow I'm hoping.
As the "other" Allan promoterJust to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render "Jesus" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) "Christ" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
Welcom Mark! I have read a number of your bible reviews over the past couple of years. Finally bit the bullet and ordered an Allen Bible. It should be here tomorrow I'm hoping.
I am curious which Allan did you select Brother?
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
As the "other" Allan promoterJust to confirm, the Brevier Blackface does render "Jesus" in self-pronouncing text. (It's pronounced Je'-sus, with a long 'e', if you're wondering.) "Christ" gets the same treatment. And if you've ever wondered how to pronounce Paul, the Brevier Blackface will tell you that, too. It's a little extreme.
Welcom Mark! I have read a number of your bible reviews over the past couple of years. Finally bit the bullet and ordered an Allen Bible. It should be here tomorrow I'm hoping.
The ESV
R.L. Allan Black Highland Goatskin (Black Cover) [Black Letter] - $169.58 : EvangelicalBible.com
Sweet!As the "other" Allan promoter
The ESV
R.L. Allan Black Highland Goatskin (Black Cover) [Black Letter] - $169.58 : EvangelicalBible.com
You will love it!
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Sweet!As the "other" Allan promoter
The ESV
R.L. Allan Black Highland Goatskin (Black Cover) [Black Letter] - $169.58 : EvangelicalBible.com
Now I just need to get me a Bowler Hat and I'll be all set!
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