Voyage of the Dawn Treader trailer.

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The battle scene is probably from the opening of the book when they come to the Lone Islands and confront the slave traders.
 
Probably. But given their horrible track record of completely wrecking the storyline, I'm not about to get my hopes up that this one will be any better.
 
Several reasons why I am a bit more optimistic with this film:

1) It has a better storyline. Prince Caspian is the weakest of the books, in my opinion, and while I didn't appreciate a lot of the changes (Susan and Caspian? Please!) I can't blame them for trying to improve on the story. Dawn Treader has a much better storyline as well as some very cinematic moments.
2)Walden has learned from the last one. I don't think they'll try the level of departure that the last one has because of the negative fan reaction. The only really major change I saw in the trailer was a cameo by the White Witch (which I could see playing into a couple sections: Dark Island or Deathwater).
 
Well, Phillip, here's to hoping you're right. VDT is my absolute favorite of all seven. So, maybe they'll do the best job on this one.
 
My daughter and I read an editorial piece a few weeks ago in which it stated that the producer/directors had assembled a very strong group of Christian Narnia / Lewis experts for a pre-edit screening. They authour of the piece was very encouraged that the movie will be 'extremely' close to the book; more so than the previous two. He mentioned in specific Eustace's delivery from his dragonness. They had wanted to have Eustace do something, I can't recall what it was, in order to have Aslan free him. But, the experts insisted that it destroyed the very foundation of Lewis' work: grace. According to the article they redid the scene to reflect the grace rather than works.

I surely hope that they get this one right. The image of redemption and grace is so wonderfully presented.
 
I enjoy the movies for what they are and am happy that they direct people to the books - which are superb.

Even with that attitude, the Caspian/Susan thing was just ridiculous.
 
I liked the first film, for the most part, but the second was dreadful. I do have hopes based on what i've heard that VDT will be well done - and hope that the others are too (though I certainly am not looking forward to the Last Battle and the fact that in all likelihood the producers will be all too happy to play up Lewis's idiotic universalistic statements)
 
Thanks for the link, Piano Hero!

I love the old BBC video of this book. They turned Prince Caspian and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader into basically one movie. It is one of my favorite all time movies.

I don't know if the story line is going to be as good as the BBC version, but the graphics and special effects look awesome! It has a much more intense feeling to it.

God Bless,
Adam
 
toddpedlar said:
I liked the first film, for the most part, but the second was dreadful. I do have hopes based on what i've heard that VDT will be well done - and hope that the others are too (though I certainly am not looking forward to the Last Battle and the fact that in all likelihood the producers will be all too happy to play up Lewis's idiotic universalistic statements)
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Calling Lewis a universalist is inaccurate at best. It's quite clear, in fact, that he wasn't, even in LB (if you recall the dwarfs/Rishda Tarkaan). I think the term you mean is "inclusivist."
 
P. F. Pugh said:
toddpedlar said:
I liked the first film, for the most part, but the second was dreadful. I do have hopes based on what i've heard that VDT will be well done - and hope that the others are too (though I certainly am not looking forward to the Last Battle and the fact that in all likelihood the producers will be all too happy to play up Lewis's idiotic universalistic statements)
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Calling Lewis a universalist is inaccurate at best. It's quite clear, in fact, that he wasn't, even in LB (if you recall the dwarfs/Rishda Tarkaan). I think the term you mean is "inclusivist."
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You'll note that I never called Lewis a universalist - I was speaking only of some dialog in the LB, not Lewis himself. Yes, inclusivistic is a better term for what I was criticizing. What is found in the book is the idea that those who seek God sincerely though do not name the name of Christ, and in fact possibly serve his exact opposite (but sincerely) can be accepted before God. This is clearly, it seems, taught in the discussion between Aslan and Emeth, who never knew Aslan, yet crosses the sea - is welcomed into Heaven). Yes, "all roads lead to Heaven" inclusivism is a better label.

For those unfamiliar, here's the dialog in question:

Then I fell at [Aslan’s] feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, ‘Son, thou art welcome.’

But I said, ‘Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.’

He answered, ‘Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.'

Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, 'is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one?'

The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, 'It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child?’

I said, ‘Lord, thou knowest how much I understand.’ But I said also, ‘Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days.’

‘Beloved,’ said the Glorious One, ‘unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek.’
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Willem van Oranje said:
Piano Hero said:
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader


The trailer is finally here! What do you think?

I recognize most of the scenes from the book, but what about the apparent battle scene? I don't remember any battles in The Dawn Treader.
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Did they ever do Prince Caspian? I'm trying to remember what order those books came in. Isn't this the third book in the series?
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Yes, the did make Prince Caspian into a movie. Many of the fans of the book (like myself) didn't like it that much though, because the storyline was messed with quite a bit. It's an enjoyable movie-just don't look for a strict adherence to the book. :)
 
Piano Hero said:
Willem van Oranje said:
Piano Hero said:
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader


The trailer is finally here! What do you think?

I recognize most of the scenes from the book, but what about the apparent battle scene? I don't remember any battles in The Dawn Treader.
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Did they ever do Prince Caspian? I'm trying to remember what order those books came in. Isn't this the third book in the series?
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Yes, the did make Prince Caspian into a movie. Many of the fans of the book (like myself) didn't like it that much though, because the storyline was messed with quite a bit. It's an enjoyable movie-just don't look for a strict adherence to the book. :)
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Did they include the blatantly idolatrous part of the book when Aslan says that he is Jesus?
 
Willem van Oranje said:
Piano Hero said:
Willem van Oranje said:
Piano Hero said:
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader


The trailer is finally here! What do you think?

I recognize most of the scenes from the book, but what about the apparent battle scene? I don't remember any battles in The Dawn Treader.
Click to expand...

Did they ever do Prince Caspian? I'm trying to remember what order those books came in. Isn't this the third book in the series?
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Yes, the did make Prince Caspian into a movie. Many of the fans of the book (like myself) didn't like it that much though, because the storyline was messed with quite a bit. It's an enjoyable movie-just don't look for a strict adherence to the book. :)
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Did they include the blatantly idolatrous part of the book when Aslan says that he is Jesus?
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What are you talking about?
 
It's been a while since I read the Dawn Treader, so I dug this up to provide specifics:

In The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, the fifth book of the series, Aslan tells the children that although they must return to their own world, they can find him there also (Hooper 123). Aslan says, "There I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there" (Hooper 123). Some of Lewis' readers wonder what the significance of this statement is and begin to search for Aslan here on earth. Hila, an eleven year old girl from the United States asked Lewis what Aslan's name is in this world (Dorsett 31-32). His response was this:
As to Aslan's other name, well I want you to guess. Has there never been anyone in this world who (1.) Arrived at the same time as Father Christmas. (2.) Said he was the son of the great Emperor. (3.) gave himself up for someone else's fault to be jeered at and killed by wicked people. (4.) Came to life again. (5.) Is sometimes spoken of as a Lamb.... Don't you really know His name in this world. Think it over and let me know your answer! (Dorsett 32)


Works Cited
• Dorsett, Lyle W. and Marjorie Lamp Mead, eds. C. S. Lewis Letters to Children. New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1985.
• Holbrook, David. The Skeleton in the Wardrobe: C. S. Lewis’s Fantasies: A Phenomenological Study. Lewisburg: Bucknell University Press, 1991.
• Hooper, Walter. Past Watchful Dragons: The Narnian Chronicles of C. S. Lewis. New York: Collier Books, 1979.
• Lewis, C. S. Of This and Other Worlds. Ed. Walter Hooper. St. James Place, London: Collins, 1982.
• Martin, Holly Bigelow. "C. S. Lewis in the Secular Classroom." The Bulletin of the New York C. S. Lewis Society 22.4 (1991): 1-7.
• Schakel, Peter J. Reading with the Heart: The Way Into Narnia. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1979.
 
Are they ever going to do the Magician's Nephew and the Horse and His Boy? VDT is the best one featuring either Lucy, Edmund, Susan, and Peter, but I think the Horse and His boy was my favorite one of all. They better do those ones.

BTW, I've been curious to know how well these movies have done at the box office in comparison with the Harry Potter movies. Anybody know?
 
Willem van Oranje said:
It's been a while since I read the Dawn Treader, so I dug this up to provide specifics:

In The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, the fifth book of the series, Aslan tells the children that although they must return to their own world, they can find him there also (Hooper 123). Aslan says, "There I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there" (Hooper 123). Some of Lewis' readers wonder what the significance of this statement is and begin to search for Aslan here on earth. Hila, an eleven year old girl from the United States asked Lewis what Aslan's name is in this world (Dorsett 31-32). His response was this:
As to Aslan's other name, well I want you to guess. Has there never been anyone in this world who (1.) Arrived at the same time as Father Christmas. (2.) Said he was the son of the great Emperor. (3.) gave himself up for someone else's fault to be jeered at and killed by wicked people. (4.) Came to life again. (5.) Is sometimes spoken of as a Lamb.... Don't you really know His name in this world. Think it over and let me know your answer! (Dorsett 32)

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Maybe it is just me, but I fail to see the issue here. Narnia is just a story, we all know that. All I see here is CS Lewis in his own way trying to point people to Christ. If you don't think that Aslan is a representation of Jesus, then who do you think he is? By your reasoning, the entire story is blasphemous. No allegory is perfect by any means.

As a child, I was deeply moved to seek and to love Christ by what Lewis wrote. I was most moved by the scriptural record, of course, but some things were made most plain to my mind by that incredible Lion.

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Sven said:
Are they ever going to do the Magician's Nephew and the Horse and His Boy? VDT is the best one featuring either Lucy, Edmund, Susan, and Peter, but I think the Horse and His boy was my favorite one of all. They better do those ones.

BTW, I've been curious to know how well these movies have done at the box office in comparison with the Harry Potter movies. Anybody know?
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According to Wiki, the highest ranking Potter is The Philosopher's Stone (or Sorcerer's stone in the USA I think)

That ranks at #7 in the all-time at $974,733,550 - nearly a billion.

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe comes in at #34 at $745,011,272

Which is not shabby at all.
 
JonathanHunt said:
Willem van Oranje said:
It's been a while since I read the Dawn Treader, so I dug this up to provide specifics:

In The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, the fifth book of the series, Aslan tells the children that although they must return to their own world, they can find him there also (Hooper 123). Aslan says, "There I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there" (Hooper 123). Some of Lewis' readers wonder what the significance of this statement is and begin to search for Aslan here on earth. Hila, an eleven year old girl from the United States asked Lewis what Aslan's name is in this world (Dorsett 31-32). His response was this:
As to Aslan's other name, well I want you to guess. Has there never been anyone in this world who (1.) Arrived at the same time as Father Christmas. (2.) Said he was the son of the great Emperor. (3.) gave himself up for someone else's fault to be jeered at and killed by wicked people. (4.) Came to life again. (5.) Is sometimes spoken of as a Lamb.... Don't you really know His name in this world. Think it over and let me know your answer! (Dorsett 32)

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Maybe it is just me, but I fail to see the issue here. Narnia is just a story, we all know that. All I see here is CS Lewis in his own way trying to point people to Christ. If you don't think that Aslan is a representation of Jesus, then who do you think he is? By your reasoning, the entire story is blasphemous. No allegory is perfect by any means.
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Exactly. That is what I think. That's why I'm not having my kids read them. And I was named after a character from the series!
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JonathanHunt said:
So you would say any allegory of Christ is blasphemous?
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An allegory is one thing. Allegory is used to teach a point, understanding that there is not a 1-1 correspondence in every detail. Jesus is like the son of the man who owns the vineyard in some respects (hence the allegory), and in other respects not. But what Lewis has done is to create an alternate universe where Jesus takes a different form and is known by a different name. It says in the Dawn Treader, not that the lion Aslan is in some way comparable to Jesus, or that we can learn some truths about Jesus from hearing the story of Aslan, but that Aslan is in fact Jesus, only he is known as "Jesus" in our world. I think that crosses the line.

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JennyG said:
I was named after a character from the series!
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- Riley--?
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Prince Rilian.
 
Prince Rilian.
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neat! Though I was rather hoping you'd say you were christened Riley Reepicheep :)

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I hear someone may be going to film The Great Divorce next
 
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A Horse and His Boy was my favorite out of the series too. That's because I'm big on the doctrine of Providence, though. :)

Magician's Nephew would be a great book to do.
 
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