9th Commandment

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I agree with all the concerns over slander and false testimony that has been discussed. But having been studying the decalouge and the book of the covenant I am seeing the commandment with a narowwer focus aimed at testimony in a legal context as Israel is to enforce the laws of YHVH within the covenant community. It seems to be defined and unpacked this way in the book of the covenant. No big deal just wondering if we might more rightly see it with it's intended application which may be more narrow than it is generally applied. This in no way mitigates the activiies that have caused concern jut wonders if the 9th commandment is the right statute to appeal to? Anyone else share these thoughts? :2cents:
 
I agree that the ninth commandment is given in the context of 'legal proceedings' but we must remember that the Israelites were called to bring their grievances to a 'court' when they could not resolve them amongst themselves. (Exodus 18:16).

In other words like all the commandments it had a specific application for the time it was given but does not require us to limit it to that context. We don't limit the second commandment to overt idol worship, for example, just because it addresses that specific issue (we would say that idols of the heart are also wicked too! see Colossians 3:5 "covetousness, which is idolatry"). Thus the Ten Commandments are the summary or ideal of the law but not the end of the law (in application).

For we see that Paul teaches the Romans that they too are called to fulfill the ninth commandment in love though they lived outside of the Jewish community of OT believers. (Romans 13:9)
 
I agree with all the concerns over slander and false testimony that has been discussed. But having been studying the decalouge and the book of the covenant I am seeing the commandment with a narowwer focus aimed at testimony in a legal context as Israel is to enforce the laws of YHVH within the covenant community. It seems to be defined and unpacked this way in the book of the covenant. No big deal just wondering if we might more rightly see it with it's intended application which may be more narrow than it is generally applied. This in no way mitigates the activiies that have caused concern jut wonders if the 9th commandment is the right statute to appeal to? Anyone else share these thoughts? :2cents:

I completely disagree. If the 9th commandment is not the reason we mustn't slander and give false testimony concerning our neighbor, then what, pray tell, is the reason? Is not the decalogue a summary of God's Law, period? Does it not give God's commands to ALL men? Is it not a summary of what is just and right - period?
 
Westminster Larger Catechism
(emphasis added)


Question 143: Which is the ninth commandment?

Answer: The ninth commandment is, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Question 144: What are the duties required in the ninth commandment?

Answer: The duties required in the ninth commandment are, the preserving and promoting of truth between man and man, and the good name of our neighbor, as well as our own; appearing and standing for the truth; and from the heart, sincerely, freely, clearly, and fully, speaking the truth, and only the truth, in matters of judgment and justice, and in all other things: Whatsoever; a charitable esteem of our neighbors; loving, desiring, and rejoicing in their good name; sorrowing for, and covering of their infirmities; freely acknowledging of their gifts and graces, defending their innocency; a ready receiving of a good report, and unwillingness to admit of an evil report, concerning them; discouraging talebearers, flatterers, and slanderers; love and care of our own good name, and defending it when need requires; keeping of lawful promises; studying and practicing of: Whatsoever things are true, honest, lovely, and of good report.

Question 145: What are the sins forbidden in the ninth commandment?

Answer: The sins forbidden in the ninth commandment are, all prejudicing the truth, and the good name of our neighbors, as well as our own, especially in public judicature; giving false evidence, suborning false witnesses, wittingly appearing and pleading for an evil cause, outfacing and overbearing the truth; passing unjust sentence, calling evil good, and good evil; rewarding the wicked according to the work of the righteous, and the righteous according to the work of the wicked; forgery, concealing the truth, undue silence in a just cause, and holding our peace when iniquity calls for either a reproof from ourselves, or complaint to others; speaking the truth unseasonably, or maliciously to a wrong end, or perverting it to a wrong meaning, or in doubtful and equivocal expressions, to the prejudice of truth or justice;speaking untruth, lying, slandering, backbiting, detracting, tale bearing, whispering, scoffing, reviling, rash, harsh, and partial censuring; misconstructing intentions, words, and actions; flattering, vainglorious boasting, thinking or speaking too highly or too meanly of ourselves or others; denying the gifts and graces of God; aggravating smaller faults;hiding, excusing, or extenuating of sins, when called to a free confession;unnecessary discovering of infirmities; raising false rumors, receiving and countenancing evil reports, and stopping our ears against just defense; evil suspicion; envying or grieving at the deserved credit of any, endeavoring or desiring to impair it, rejoicing in their disgrace and infamy; scornful contempt, fond admiration; breach of lawful promises; neglecting such things as are of good report, and practicing, or not avoiding ourselves, or not hindering: What we can in others, such things as procure an ill name.

Our Confession summarizing the biblical application of this is devastating. There is a certain duty we owe to our fellow human being as they are created in the image of God that brings a certain care and respect.

The application is not narrow. This is why John Calvin said the ten commandments are a "rule for life," a "mirror" of what the Christian life should look like. They continue to show us our need for Christ.

When I first heard these applications it was in the context of a church officer being disciplined. Part was a false profession of his life in Christ, the lordship of Christ, his vow to walk obediently, to deal purely and peaceably with the bretheren. There was no "lying under oath" in the strictest sense, yet that was one of several basis for the eventual ex-communication of this person.

It is a fearful thing to consider what God requires of us. Thank God that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us- praise God for His mercy in that.

We could never bear this standard. But praise God, Christ did. And, now, by His grace we must seek to mirror this.
 
I agree with all the concerns over slander and false testimony that has been discussed. But having been studying the decalouge and the book of the covenant I am seeing the commandment with a narowwer focus aimed at testimony in a legal context as Israel is to enforce the laws of YHVH within the covenant community. It seems to be defined and unpacked this way in the book of the covenant. No big deal just wondering if we might more rightly see it with it's intended application which may be more narrow than it is generally applied. This in no way mitigates the activiies that have caused concern jut wonders if the 9th commandment is the right statute to appeal to? Anyone else share these thoughts? :2cents:

I completely disagree. If the 9th commandment is not the reason we mustn't slander and give false testimony concerning our neighbor, then what, pray tell, is the reason? Is not the decalogue a summary of God's Law, period? Does it not give God's commands to ALL men? Is it not a summary of what is just and right - period?

Exactly. As as been said many times on this board, it is a confessional board--that is, we are not here to debate the confessions and standards of the Church. The Larger Catechism and the Heidelberg both give detailed instruction as to what we have confessed the 9th commandment encompasses.
 
None of the ten commandments is narrow. See the rules for rightly understanding the ten commandments in the larger catechism; I've posted my work so far on the critical text of this question in a new blog entry here.
 
I agree with all the concerns over slander and false testimony that has been discussed. But having been studying the decalouge and the book of the covenant I am seeing the commandment with a narowwer focus aimed at testimony in a legal context as Israel is to enforce the laws of YHVH within the covenant community. It seems to be defined and unpacked this way in the book of the covenant. No big deal just wondering if we might more rightly see it with it's intended application which may be more narrow than it is generally applied. This in no way mitigates the activiies that have caused concern jut wonders if the 9th commandment is the right statute to appeal to? Anyone else share these thoughts? :2cents:

I agree with Calvin that the prohibition against false oaths is primarily contained within the Third Commandment:

Ninth Commandment.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOUR.

47. The purport of the commandment is, since God, who is truth, abhors
falsehood, we must cultivate unfeigned truth towards each other. The
sum, therefore, will be, that we must not by calumnies and false
accusations injure our neighbour's name, or by falsehood impair his
fortunes; in fine, that we must not injure any one from petulance, or a
love of evil-speaking. To this prohibition corresponds the command,
that we must faithfully assist every one, as far as in us lies, in
asserting the truth, for the maintenance of his good name and his
estate. The Lord seems to have intended to explain the commandment in
these words: "Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand
with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness." "Keep thee far from a
false matter," (Exod. 23:1, 7). In another passage, he not only
prohibits that species of falsehood which consists in acting the part
of tale-bearers among the people, but says, "Neither shalt thou stand
against the blood of thy neighbour," (Lev. 19:16). Both transgressions
are distinctly prohibited. Indeed, there can be no doubt, that as in
the previous commandment he prohibited cruelty unchastity, and avarice,
so here he prohibits falsehood, which consists of the two parts to
which we have adverted. By malignant or vicious detraction, we sin
against our neighbour's good name: by lying, sometimes even by casting
a slur upon him, we injure him in his estate. It makes no difference
whether you suppose that formal and judicial testimony is here
intended, or the ordinary testimony which is given in private
conversation. For we must always recur to the consideration, that for
each kind of transgression one species is set forth by way of example,
that to it the others may be referred, and that the species chiefly
selected, is that in which the turpitude of the transgression is most
apparent. It seems proper, however, to extend it more generally to
calumny and sinister insinuations by which our neighbours are unjustly
aggrieved. For falsehood in a court of justice is always accompanied
with perjury. But against perjury, in so far as it profanes and
violates the name of God, there is a sufficient provision in the third
commandment. Hence the legitimate observance of this precept consists
in employing the tongue in the maintenance of truth, so as to promote
both the good name and the prosperity of our neighbour. The equity of
this is perfectly clear. For if a good name is more precious than
riches, a man, in being robbed of his good name, is no less injured
than if he were robbed of his goods; while, in the latter case, false
testimony is sometimes not less injurious than rapine committed by the
hand.


48. And yet it is strange, with what supine security men everywhere sin
in this respect. Indeed, very few are found who do not notoriously
labour under this disease: such is the envenomed delight we take both
in prying into and exposing our neighbour's faults. Let us not imagine
it is a sufficient excuse to say that on many occasions our statements
are not false. He who forbids us to defame our neighbour's reputation
by falsehood, desires us to keep it untarnished in so far as truth will
permit. Though the commandment is only directed against falsehood, it
intimates that the preservation of our neighbour's good name is
recommended. It ought to be a sufficient inducement to us to guard our
neighbour's good name, that God takes an interest in it. Wherefore,
evil-speaking in general is undoubtedly condemned. Moreover, by
evil-speaking, we understand not the rebuke which is administered with
a view of correcting; not accusation or judicial decision, by which
evil is sought to be remedied; not public censure, which tends to
strike terror into other offenders; not the disclosure made to those
whose safety depends on being forewarned, lest unawares they should be
brought into danger, but the odious crimination which springs from a
malicious and petulant love of slander. Nay, the commandment extends so
far as to include that scurrilous affected urbanity, instinct with
invective, by which the failings of others, under an appearance of
sportiveness, are bitterly assailed, as some are wont to do, who court
the praise of wit, though it should call forth a blush, or inflict a
bitter pang. By petulance of this description, our brethren are
sometimes grievously wounded. [217] But if we turn our eye to the
Lawgiver, whose just authority extends over the ears and the mind, as
well as the tongue, we cannot fail to perceive that eagerness to listen
to slander, and an unbecoming proneness to censorious judgments are
here forbidden. It were absurd to suppose that God hates the disease of
evil-speaking in the tongue, and yet disapproves not of its malignity
in the mind. Wherefore, if the true fear and love of God dwell in us,
we must endeavour, as far as is lawful and expedient, and as far as
charity admits, neither to listen nor give utterance to bitter and
acrimonious charges, nor rashly entertain sinister suspicions. As just
interpreters of the words and the actions of other men, let us candidly
maintain the honour due to them by our judgment, our ear, and our
tongue.
 
Yes, in the Torah, it 'seems' they were narrowly given, but amplified by the application of them in the Old Test, and reaching their culmination in what Jesus said on the Mount. The confessions use biblical application of what they say, pulling uses from the Bible.
 
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