AThorn you beat me to it!! LOL!!! They probably all have an Ergun Caner poster on their wall. I have been on some Christian chat rooms lately. I have got to Repent of it. My anger boils at the Arminian crowd. It isnt a godly way for me to be. Those rooms have just become a stumbling block for me. All of them are moderated by hard core "whosoever'ers" who all think "calvinism" is following John Calvin instead of Christ. Their blindness is astounding!! It get's mighty lonely in there. Seems to me, the idea of "free will" and/or complete semi-pelagianism lends itself to total self-righteousness. It is a sad state that someone would wanna steal glory from God.