Christians Persecuted in Philedelphia

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ConfederateTheocrat

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Has anyone heard of the "Philedelphia 11". They have been recently arrested and face up to 47 years in prison for "ethnic intimidation" and "hate crimes", namely, using Bible verses and singing hymns to call homosexuals to repentence.

It took place in the city of Brotherly love, where its citizens seem to take that a little too far. Sodomites from around the country were marching to celebrate their pride. Lauran Murch, a teenage girl, was also arrested. All they were doing was singing hymns and reading Bible verse (with signs).

www.repentamerica.com

[Edited on 1-11-2005 by ConfederateTheocrat]
 
Yes, unfortunate. I saw the video, the Christians were very peaceful. What's worse is that the Department of Justice civil rights division, the very people who should have protected them, conspired with the Police and the sodomites to find a way to arrest them.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42221

The church I go to is in Montgomery county, right on the boarder of Philadelphia, their sister church is on the other side of Philly. I myself live less then an hour north of Philly. And I've heard about two homosexuals who have come to the Lord in the RPCNA. So I have alot of invested interest in the issue
 
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by VirginiaHuguenot
Here's a recent article on the ongoing case in Philadelphia:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/10627664.htm?1c

Requires a sign-in. Can you summarize?

Sorry 'bout that. Here's the text:

Posted on Wed, Jan. 12, 2005

Nation's eyes on Christian protesters

By LARRY EICHEL

Philadelphia Inquirer


A Philadelphia criminal case is getting considerable national attention. And it's not about political corruption.

Four members of a local Christian group, Repent America, are facing felony charges in connection with their behavior in the fall during the gay and lesbian community's annual Outfest celebration in Center City.

For allegedly trying to disrupt the event with their bullhorn-amplified, Scripture-based denunciations of homosexuality, they have been accused of criminal conspiracy, incitement to riot, and violating the state's law against hate crimes.

Several conservative Christian groups, including the American Family Association and Concerned Women for America, say the "Philadelphia Four" are being prosecuted solely for voicing their religious beliefs.

"This homofascism has come to our doorstep; it's in America," said Ralph Ovadal, head of Wisconsin Christians United, in a recent radio program. "Christians need to wake up and realize how quickly the walls are closing in on their religious liberties, on their religious duties to preach the gospel."

Outfest organizers say the defendants indulged in garden-variety gay-bashing on the day in question and seemed intent on provoking a physical confrontation that could have turned ugly.

"They were there with plain old homophobia, hiding behind the Bible, hiding behind the First Amendment," said Fanny Price, executive director of Philly Pride Presents. "I really think a couple of them are a danger to society... . They're trying to make themselves look like martyrs."

Charged are Michael Marcavage, 25, of Lansdowne, the leader of Repent America; James Cruise, 53, of Richmond, Va.; Mark Diener, 33, of Philadelphia; and Dennis Green, 38, of Petersburg, Va.

If convicted, they could receive lengthy prison sentences. As a condition of bail, they have been barred from getting within 100 feet of any "homosexual event."

Although the precise sequence of events is in dispute, the general outline of what happened Oct. 10 is relatively clear, thanks to several videotapes and the police report.

Early that afternoon, 11 demonstrators led by Marcavage entered the eight-block area around 13th and Chancellor Streets where Outfest was taking place. Marcavage had a Bible in one hand, a bullhorn tucked under the other arm, and a Repent America baseball cap on his head.

The demonstrators were no strangers to event organizers or police. Repent America had brought its message - "Homosexuality Is Sin, Christ Can Set You Free" - to previous gay-pride events. In addition, group members had been thrown out of Citizens Bank Park in August for bringing in a banner to protest the Phillies' observance of Gay Community Day.

Soon after their arrival, Marcavage and company were surrounded by Outfest's makeshift security force, which was armed with pink whistles and eight-foot-tall boards of pink-colored insulation mounted on sticks. The force's goal was to prevent the group's signs from being seen and its words from being heard.

Eventually, a crowd formed, and police, who said in their report that they wanted to prevent violence, instructed the demonstrators to go to the edge of the Outfest area. A videotape shows Marcavage asking officers to protect his own freedoms of speech and movement.

After complying with two orders to move and refusing a third, the demonstrators were told they would be arrested. At that point, Marcavage sat down in the street, forcing police to haul him away.

He says now that the felony charges stunned him.

"It's malicious prosecution, and they'll be held accountable," he said in an interview. Referring to the city's district attorney, he said: "I think that Lynne Abraham is attempting to set a precedent under the hate-crimes legislation that speaking from the Bible, the word of God, regarding homosexuality is a hate crime."

Through her spokeswoman, Cathie Abookire, Abraham said she was pursuing the charges in the belief that "everyone's rights must be protected."

Since the arrests, there have been several developments.

In December, the defendants went to federal court in Philadelphia, alleging that their free-speech rights had been violated. U.S. District Judge Petrese B. Tucker refused their request that she block local authorities from prosecuting the charges.

And in a preliminary hearing, Municipal Court Judge William A. Meehan, who is handling the case, dismissed charges against six of the demonstrators, reducing the size of the group to four. The status of the 11th protester, a 17-year-old girl, has yet to be determined.

In court today, C. Scott Shields, a Media-based lawyer who represents the four defendants, plans to seek the lifting of the order banning his clients from getting near gay events.

Several of the Christian groups have asked the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate the behavior of Abraham's office and the police. A department spokesman, Eric Holland, said officials were reviewing the request.

Meanwhile, the rhetoric used on behalf of the Philadelphia Four continues to heat up.

"Jim Crow has been resurrected in Philadelphia, and instead of being targeted at African Americans, he is targeting Christians," Joe Murray, a lawyer with the American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy, said during a radio program that reminded listeners that Philadelphia is the home of the Abscam scandal and the MOVE bombing.

"If this city were built on a swamp, I'd say it needs to be drained," Murray said, "because it's a dirty city."
 
bit of an update...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42705


TESTING THE FAITH
Judge rules against Christians who preached to homosexuals
'Philly 5' lose round in federal court, prosecutors get away with calling defendants' words 'hateful'

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Posted: February 4, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

In another blow to the "Philly 5" – the Philadelphia Christians facing possible 47 year jail terms for evangelizing at a homosexual event – a federal judge has refused a request to stop the local prosecution of the group.

Judge Petrese B. Tucker, for the second time, has refused to sanction the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office for what the Christians' attorneys say are "retaliatory criminal proceedings."


According to the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, which is representing the Christians on the federal level, Tucker denied the request for relief last week, saying the Philly 5 had "insufficient evidence ... regarding why any of the defendants would want to stifle their First Amendment rights."

The group's attorneys had presented as evidence their clients' First Amendment rights were violated the fact that Assistant District Attorney Charles Ehrlich told an earlier court proceeding the Christians' religious speech was "hateful, disgusting, despicable words," and "fighting words."

As WorldNetDaily reported, on Oct. 10, a group of 11 Christians was "preaching God's Word" to a crowd of people attending the Philadelphia "OutFest" event and displaying banners with biblical messages.

After a confrontation with a group called the Pink Angels, described by protesters as "a militant mob of homosexuals," the Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.

Eight charges were filed: criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, reckless endangerment of another person, ethnic intimidation, riot, failure to disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways.

None of the Pink Angels was cited or arrested.

After a preliminary hearing in December, Judge William Austin Meehan ordered four of the Christians to stand trial on three felony and five misdemeanor charges. If convicted, they could each get a maximum of 47 years in prison. One female teenage protester faces charges in the juvenile justice system.

Brian Fahling is senior trial attorney for the law center.

Said Fahling in a statement: "The law requires us to show bad faith or retaliation by the D.A.'s office; we established that beyond argument with a videotape of the entire incident that shows our clients peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights, then being arrested and charged with crimes that carry a potential for 47 years imprisonment, and a district attorney's office that retaliated against them because it hates their speech.

"It is difficult to conceive of more compelling evidence of bad faith and retaliation than what we have presented to the court in this case."

Fahling colleague Michael DePrimo added: "There has never been a stronger case for federal court intervention based upon allegations of bad faith and retaliation than [the Philly 5] presented to Judge Tucker. … Prior to taking the bench, Judge Tucker was an assistant district attorney for Philadelphia for eight years; she is undoubtedly aware that peaceful expression of First Amendment rights is not criminal."

The next hearing date scheduled for the Christians is Feb. 17, when the court will consider their motion to dismiss the case. Seventeen-year-old Lauren Murch's trial date is Feb. 18.
 
What wicked times we live in when good is caleld evil and evil is called good. The seeds have been planted long ago and are coming to fruition.
 
Never forget, the same government the persecutes people for evangelism has legally sanctioned a veritable holocaust of well over 45,000,000 babies since 1973.
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This brings up an interesting question...what is the most effective way to share the truth of the Gospel with homosexuals? Going to their crazy assemblies with a bullhorn and Bible, or befriend them, invite them to church, and serve them in some way? I'm not against the bullhorn method, but I know several homosexuals, a few of whom I've been able to share the Gospel with because we had developed a friendship.

Please, don't throw any big rocks my direction:bigsmile:
 
My question would be, why do you have to witness to them as homosexuals? Why can't you just witness to them as non-believers? Race, Color and Sexual preference aside, they are still PEOPLE. The saddest part about this is that our government is so quick to say that all people are equal (racism, prejudice, etc. are illegal, yes?), and yet the Christians are turned upon for witnessing against "homosexuals" and there the government is separating them into a group, like they are telling everyone else they can't do. Why can't the government see the homosexuals as PEOPLE too, then it would be people witnessing to people.

(did that make sense what I just said?)
 
definitely.

I don't see a difference, as far as level of sin is concerned, between my unsaved friend who is a homosexual and my unsaved friend who is a hetrosexual but who sleeps around with a bunch of women. They both need to turn to Christ and repent.
 
UP DATE
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/10893814.htm

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Bill would change Pa. hate-crimes protections

Lawmaker wants "sexual orientation" removed from law

The Associated Press


HARRISBURG -- A state lawmaker has proposed a bill that would remove the section banning harassment based on sexual orientation from Pennsylvania's hate-crime laws.

State Rep. Thomas Yewcic, D-Cambria, said he filed the bill in response to the arrest of five evangelical Christian protesters at a gay pride festival in Philadelphia.

The five were charged with violating Pennsylvania's Ethnic Intimidation Act when they disrupted the event with a bullhorn preaching that homosexuality is a sin.

The Repent America demonstrators resisted a police order to pull back, and police said they were concerned about possible violence.

Yewcic said he wants to repeal changes made to the law in 2002 that made it a crime to harass or intimidate people because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. The law originally dealt only with race, religion and national origin.

Yewcic and supporters of his bill argue that the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office was wrong to bring ethnic-intimidation charges against the protesters. They said the law was intended to apply to physical crimes or incitement to such crimes, not merely speech.

"If the law stands as it is, it will make Christians who oppose the homosexual lifestyle think twice about going on the streets," said Diane Gramley, president of the American Family Association of Pennsylvania.

Civil-liberties advocates vowed to fight the proposed change, though they also voiced concerns about the way the law was applied. About 30 states have hate-crime laws that seek to protect gays.

"There has to be some underlying criminal act," said Stacey Sobel, director of the Center for Lesbian and Gay Rights. "You can't just go after speech."

Sobel was the author of the 2002 language that added "actual or perceived ancestry, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, gender or gender identity" to the areas the law covers.

"This is not the kind of situation or conduct that hate-crimes laws are intended to address," said Michael Lieberman, a lawyer for the national Anti-Defamation League, which supports hate-crimes laws.

But Sobel and Lieberman said experience shows that gays do need protection. The FBI's most recent national statistics, from 2003, recorded 1,239 hate crimes based on sexual orientation, Lieberman said.

Yewcic's bill was filed with the state House Judiciary Committee, though he said he wasn't optimistic about its chances. "My gut feeling is there's not the will by the leadership to do anything at this point," he said.

The committee chairman, state Rep. Dennis O'Brien, R-Philadelphia, said he wants to study the bill and "see how the case plays out" in Philadelphia before deciding whether to schedule it for action.
 
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