Creed or Chaos (Dorothy Sayers)

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Sayers, Dorothy L. Creed or Chaos. New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1949.

For Sayers, the church is perceived as irrelevant not because of too much doctrine, but too little. The Creeds are not boring; rather, they are dramatic narratives. Because the church has missed this, the laymen and skeptic has (quite rightly) been unimpressed, or more accurately, “bored,” with her watered-down exhortations for good living.

I suspect that if all Worldview™ books were burned and only this book remained, the church would be better off. It is a good Worldview™ book precisely because it does not see itself as a Worldview™ book. Worldview™ answers are not wrong, but they are simply answers to questions that have themselves been abstracted from the Christian drama. Worldview™ analyses are often irrelevant to “the man on the street” because the latter does not see himself within some unique story. The Creed, encapsulating what Scripture teaches, tells that Story.

Sayers tells her message in such a way to “shock” the average man. For example, “Whatever game He is playing with his creation, He has kept His own rules and played fair…When He was a man, He played the man. He was born in poverty and died in disgrace and thought it well worth the while” (Sayers 4).

Restating one of St Anselm’s key arguments, she writes: If He was God and nothing else, His immortality means nothing to us. If He was man and no more, His death is no more important than yours or mine (7).

“If we disbelieve…then we must take the consequences in a world ruled by cause and effect” (7).

Revisiting her old “Creed or Chaos” essay, she hears the liberal preacher (and today’s seeker sensitive strategists) argue “We only want simple worship, no dogma.” But there is a problem: it is hard to arouse any enthusiasm for nothing in particular (20). That is one reason why your church is dead.

Conclusion

I can only praise this book. If we judged it for prose style, we would rank it among the classics of 20th century Christian (or secular) literature. If we judged it for Worldview™ analysis, we would rank it only slightly behind CS Lewis. Fortunately, we can judge it on both counts.
 
Dorothy Sayers isn't much of a theologian, neither was Lewis, even though I enjoyed his fiction. She was Anglican, but some say she converted to Catholicism on her deathbed.
 
Sayers, Dorothy L. Creed or Chaos. New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1949.

For Sayers, the church is perceived as irrelevant not because of too much doctrine, but too little. The Creeds are not boring; rather, they are dramatic narratives. Because the church has missed this, the laymen and skeptic has (quite rightly) been unimpressed, or more accurately, “bored,” with her watered-down exhortations for good living.

I suspect that if all Worldview™ books were burned and only this book remained, the church would be better off. It is a good Worldview™ book precisely because it does not see itself as a Worldview™ book. Worldview™ answers are not wrong, but they are simply answers to questions that have themselves been abstracted from the Christian drama. Worldview™ analyses are often irrelevant to “the man on the street” because the latter does not see himself within some unique story. The Creed, encapsulating what Scripture teaches, tells that Story.

Sayers tells her message in such a way to “shock” the average man. For example, “Whatever game He is playing with his creation, He has kept His own rules and played fair…When He was a man, He played the man. He was born in poverty and died in disgrace and thought it well worth the while” (Sayers 4).

Restating one of St Anselm’s key arguments, she writes: If He was God and nothing else, His immortality means nothing to us. If He was man and no more, His death is no more important than yours or mine (7).

“If we disbelieve…then we must take the consequences in a world ruled by cause and effect” (7).

Revisiting her old “Creed or Chaos” essay, she hears the liberal preacher (and today’s seeker sensitive strategists) argue “We only want simple worship, no dogma.” But there is a problem: it is hard to arouse any enthusiasm for nothing in particular (20). That is one reason why your church is dead.

Conclusion

I can only praise this book. If we judged it for prose style, we would rank it among the classics of 20th century Christian (or secular) literature. If we judged it for Worldview™ analysis, we would rank it only slightly behind CS Lewis. Fortunately, we can judge it on both counts.
Hey Jacob, are you following Simon Kennedy at all? https://americanreformer.org/2024/10/rethinking-worldview-with-biblical-wisdom/

I just found out about him and haven't waded into his critiques enough to evaluate, but am thinking of checking out his book when it comes out. Critiques of "Worldview" have always interested me as a Christian schoolteacher, as I have my own misgivings about the framework.
 
Sayers, Dorothy L. Creed or Chaos. New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1949.

For Sayers, the church is perceived as irrelevant not because of too much doctrine, but too little. The Creeds are not boring; rather, they are dramatic narratives. Because the church has missed this, the laymen and skeptic has (quite rightly) been unimpressed, or more accurately, “bored,” with her watered-down exhortations for good living.

I suspect that if all Worldview™ books were burned and only this book remained, the church would be better off. It is a good Worldview™ book precisely because it does not see itself as a Worldview™ book. Worldview™ answers are not wrong, but they are simply answers to questions that have themselves been abstracted from the Christian drama. Worldview™ analyses are often irrelevant to “the man on the street” because the latter does not see himself within some unique story. The Creed, encapsulating what Scripture teaches, tells that Story.

Sayers tells her message in such a way to “shock” the average man. For example, “Whatever game He is playing with his creation, He has kept His own rules and played fair…When He was a man, He played the man. He was born in poverty and died in disgrace and thought it well worth the while” (Sayers 4).

Restating one of St Anselm’s key arguments, she writes: If He was God and nothing else, His immortality means nothing to us. If He was man and no more, His death is no more important than yours or mine (7).

“If we disbelieve…then we must take the consequences in a world ruled by cause and effect” (7).

Revisiting her old “Creed or Chaos” essay, she hears the liberal preacher (and today’s seeker sensitive strategists) argue “We only want simple worship, no dogma.” But there is a problem: it is hard to arouse any enthusiasm for nothing in particular (20). That is one reason why your church is dead.

Conclusion

I can only praise this book. If we judged it for prose style, we would rank it among the classics of 20th century Christian (or secular) literature. If we judged it for Worldview™ analysis, we would rank it only slightly behind CS Lewis. Fortunately, we can judge it on both counts.
I too think that the whole "worldview" has gotten overused and abused because it's been simplified so much. I don't even talk about it at church and the few times it's come up I just listen. Honestly I've heard people say to me that apologetics is useless because they tried the "worldview" thing and it didn't work. I'm just sitting there thinking you don't understand anything but I don't blame them, I'm far too polite for that, but the "evangelical machine".
Easy answers for those busy people to use because after all why should the average American slow down to learn something correctly or learn it's over their head. I was raised in a charismatic evangelical home where if your parents just did this and sent your kids to youth group that's all you need to do (never mind a family bible study and catechism time, too busy for that).
So I saw first hand the dumb side of Evangelicalism. Now my parents only did what they thought was right. I'm not being critical of them. They were sold a bill of goods.
But I mean the"worldview" thing is so overused. I have nothing against Kirk Cameron but when that guy is educating people on worldview stuff, I think he did a series on it or something, come on. I mean praise God he's a Christian and trying to use his talents for the Kingdom, not knocking the guy for that, but c'mon.
I'm more convinced than ever since hearing the endless dribble of "worldview" stuff coming from Christians it's time to rethink the arguments. That's why I like William Edgar so much. He has the arguments of Van Til but the style of Schaefer to be a wonderful mix. My passion is to teach a holistic Vantillianism that engages people with learning their Bibles and the rich theological heritage first and then a method of apologetics in the Edgar style.
Van Til was very keen on learning the faith we are defending first then a method that's adaptable to whatever situation. We've lost that. James KA Smith has a point in his criticisms of "worldview stuff".
Sorry to go off on a tangent, just woke up, but I think a lot about this stuff. Excellent review as always and the book sounds fascinating. Good job Jacob.
 
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Worldview helped us give a coherent response to a systematic secular onslaught. We should never minimize that. On the other hand, the Bible is more interested in wisdom as embodied insight before God.
 
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