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I apologize...my example on the previous post was probably inaccurate.

Most of Western Europe is more like a parent with alzheimers....America is the responsible son looking out for it...Canada is the flighty daughter you just can't rely on. :lol: (JUST KIDDING ADMIN'S!)

[Edited on 24-11-2004 by Craig]
 
Let's just give Peace a chance. Why can't we all just get along.

I must admit though, that Father must be getting upset. I 'm sure he hears us in the next room. That's what my kids would say.

On a more serious vane. God grant us all repentance or else we die. Seriously. God save us. Especially from ourselves and what we deserve. Please help us. The Canadians and The States or else we will be over run by Those Pagan Muslims. Please help us be a light to them as well that they may repent also. :pray2::candle:
 
I tend to think of Canada as a bitter sister who gets along with America in order to please Dad (England), but punches America as soon as Dad isn't looking.. :lol:

It's kind of ironic, though, I'm one of the most unpatriotic Canadians I know. I'm practically seen as a traitor for planning to move to the States. I mean, I generally agree more with America's politics (though I tend to forget that as soon as someone attacks Canada ;) ), but I really don't agree with what Bush is doing.. I know we all have different political ideas, and let's not even get into that again.. I'm just pointing out that I don't have a problem with America.
 
Okay...Just remember many people are quick to defend their home when an outsider makes fun of it (again, I am not a programmed Bush-lover...it just seems no one attacks him for the right reasons...except the CP at times)

So, here you go: :handshake:
 
this is tangential to the discussion but I think it needs to be brought up. My German teacher (probably has the most biblical worldview at my "christian" school) mentioned the difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism is a love for the values/traditions/ways of the Fatherland (for me that would best be seen in the Old South) whereas Nationalism is "my state, right or wrong." This is an important distinction to keep in midn. I have been accused of being a traitor and a hyper-patriot in the same conversation. It is just a matter of where the loyalties lie. Although I do not like bringing secular references into the discussion, consider the dilemma in Last Samurai where the head samurai was fighting against the state but considered himself loyall to the emperor.
 
DH,
What do you think Liberty Day is for? What flag is flown the highest on July 3rd. I am Southern at heart. Stars a Bars. But by God's providence the South lost. I do know of a Kingdom that I am a loyal patriot of though. I would die for it's testimony quickly. It is a Kingdom that will endure forever because of its King.
I would gladly give my life for America if it was a just war. I'm not so sure I could truly discern that very quickly. My hope and loyalties are for Christ Crown first. Tough issue. I do love America also. I also believe we are to be loyal and respectful to our leaders as King David was loyal and respectful to Saul. Hard to do but God honours it. God sets up kingdoms and pulls them down.

For Christ's Crown and Covenant, Randy

[Edited on 11-26-2004 by puritancovenanter]
 
Originally posted by puritancovenanter
DH,
What do you think Liberty Day is for? What flag is flown the highest on July 3rd. I am Southern at heart. Stars a Bars. But by God's providence the South lost. I do know of a Kingdom that I am a loyal patriot of though. I would die for it's testimony quickly. It is a Kingdom that will endure forever because of its King.
I would gladly give my life for America if it was a just war. I'm not so sure I could truly discern that very quickly. My hope and loyalties are for Christ Crown first. Tough issue. I do love America also. I also believe we are to be loyal and respectful to our leaders as King David was loyal and respectful to Saul. Hard to do but God honours it. God sets up kingdoms and pulls them down.

For Christ's Crown and Covenant, Randy

[Edited on 11-26-2004 by puritancovenanter]
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I agree with you in essence, but I celebrate Liberty Day with doubts in the back of my mind. I consider myself living on the outskirts of the City of God. I am aware of where my true loyalties lie. But the more I study American history (and this is a limited statement), the more I see what we call liberty our forefathers called bondage. For an interesting sidenote, Northern historian James McPherson noted, the end of the civil war marked the end of the United states plural (which is what States united means) to a singular United states. This is precisely what J H Thornwell feared.

Yes, I am a patriot. I would fight for hearth and homeland. However, I am a fierce anti-statist.
 
I agree! We are no longer United States, but a Union with little provinces. I am very Southern at heart. I am against slavery but I would have fought for the South. Be Encouraged.

For Christ's Crown and Covenant, R. Martin Snyder:judge:
 
Originally posted by puritancovenanter
I agree! We are no longer United States, but a Union with little provinces. I am very Southern at heart. I am against slavery but I would have fought for the South. Be Encouraged.

For Christ's Crown and Covenant, R. Martin Snyder:judge:
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I have to admit, I have a limited grasp of American history after the War of 1812. I don't really understand what the Civil War was about--I understand that there was an issue of state power, but I thought it was mostly about the balance of slave states in Congress. So when you first said you were pro-South, I jumped, but now that you've pointed out that you're anti-slavery, I've breathed a confused sigh of relief. So what is it that you believe in? Can you explain briefly what the war was actually about? I mean, even in just a few sentences. Please don't just recommend a book because I don't have the time and I already have piles of books I'm not reading lying around my room. This is very much appreciated.
 
Originally posted by Cottonball
I have to admit, I have a limited grasp of American history after the War of 1812. I don't really understand what the Civil War was about--I understand that there was an issue of state power, but I thought it was mostly about the balance of slave states in Congress. So when you first said you were pro-South, I jumped, but now that you've pointed out that you're anti-slavery, I've breathed a confused sigh of relief. So what is it that you believe in? Can you explain briefly what the war was actually about? I mean, even in just a few sentences. Please don't just recommend a book because I don't have the time and I already have piles of books I'm not reading lying around my room. This is very much appreciated.
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Gee, I wonder who is most qualified to answer this? I am goiung to delay this question for a few moments
 
To resurrect Lincoln for me? :lol:

I was only asking him because he was the one who made the comment. Don't be offended. You wouldn't know to come to me if you had a question about Cotton Mather--now you do. But if you want to answer me, go ahead!
 
I'll make an attempt to answer your question. The Civil War was more about local and soveriegn State power versus centralized Federal Power. One of the founding fathers dominant principles of self-government was that local governments knew best how to meet the needs of the people than some leaders far away who hardly knew anything about you. Plus, the States were in effect sovereign States who voluntarily joined the federal Union. To attack them or force them into submission was to violate their sovereignty. Slavery was one of the lightning rods issues which accented this conflict between State and Federal power struggles.


Now, to put this thread back on track.

Bush Dance ------>>>>> :lol::lol::lol:
Our PB Banana-man should challenge him to a dance off :banana:
 
Originally posted by puritansailor
I'll make an attempt to answer your question. The Civil War was more about local and soveriegn State power versus centralized Federal Power. One of the founding fathers dominant principles of self-government was that local governments knew best how to meet the needs of the people than some leaders far away who hardly knew anything about you. Plus, the States were in effect sovereign States who voluntarily joined the federal Union. To attack them or force them into submission was to violate their sovereignty. Slavery was one of the lightning rods issues which accented this conflict between State and Federal power struggles.
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I think I understand--I see your point, that the states really were (supposed to be) pretty independent. I definitely agree with holding the Constitutional Convention though (in 1789? 87? something like that) to strengthen the central government--13 currencies in one nation just won't work! But other than that, I can see how you guys would want states to have more control over themselves. It especially makes sense in such a divided country.

Now to re-put this thread back on track:


Now, to put this thread back on track.

Bush Dance ------>>>>> :lol::lol::lol:
Our PB Banana-man should challenge him to a dance off :banana:
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Good idea! I dunno, though, I think Bush has a good shot at winning. He even has his own dance floor!
 
If you want to know some of what I think, just type in Walter Williams Civil War at google.com. He is a Black Prof at George Mason University who doesn't believe the war was truly about slavery.
His articles title is 'The Civil War wasn't about slavery'.It is also at Jewish Review and many other sights.You will find he has written a lot about the civil war.

I believe there were many more issues involved but I believe Dr. Williams hits the main issue on the head. Check out the article below because there is an editors note in the article that proves what he is saying when looking at the Constitution of the North compared to the Constitution the South formulated. Be Encouraged. Visionforum also has a CD they sell that discusses the reasons the Civil War started. I have listened to some of it. It is pretty good.

For Christ's Crown and Covenant, R. Martin Snyder

Click on the Title below for the article.

The Civil War wasn't about Slavery.

:scholar::scholar::scholar::judge::judge::judge::chained::chained::chained:


[Edited on 11-27-2004 by puritancovenanter]
 
Originally posted by jfschultz
How many here would think it funny if it was Dancing Jesus? :banghead: Is disrespect OK if the object is not God?
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I would (and I've seen the Dancing Jesus site also). :)

Of course, Jesus more than likely did NOT look like a caucasian, so that's another reason I'd find it funny. :lol::lol:
 
yeah for some reason are evangelical biblical world view has the RC Jesus as a caucassian in the image of a french merovingian king hmmmmmm

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