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Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.”
-Gen. 4:1(ESV)
And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.” To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord.
-Gen. 4:25-26(ESV)
Also note that Adam's sons knew how to give proper sacrifice to the Lord (though Cain transgressed this), and perhaps learned this sacrificial system from their father.
I am reading a booklet on the Trinity and in it, the author makes the statement "...after Adam repented.."
Was Adam granted repentance as we know it? Interesting.
I am reading a booklet on the Trinity and in it, the author makes the statement "...after Adam repented.."
Was Adam granted repentance as we know it? Interesting.
Evidence of Adam's faith may be gleaned from his subsequent affirmation of God's promise in his naming his wife Eve, the mother of all living.
Nor are many other great saints of God who are spoken of in the Old Testament. This does not mean they were not men or women of faith. Why should we doubt that Adam and Eve's professions of the Lord's promise (Gen. 3:20, 4:1) expressed their faith in the true seed which the Lord had just mentioned, especially when the whole of the first several chapters of Genesis is so focused upon the promise of this seed?Adam is not listed in Hebrews Chapter 11
Whence do you derive your confidence that he merely acknowledged physical lineage?Acknowledgement of physical lineage, is not necessarily the acknowledgment of spiritual lineage.
If you have acknowledged here that Eve had faith in the promise of the seed, would not she then be the first faithful, and not Abel?He was not the Savior she hoped for in faith, but he was indeed the first of the Godly lineage who would produce the promised "Seed."
I am reading a booklet on the Trinity and in it, the author makes the statement "...after Adam repented.."
Was Adam granted repentance as we know it? Interesting.
Nor are many other great saints of God who are spoken of in the Old Testament. This does not mean they were not men or women of faith. Why should we doubt that Adam and Eve's professions of the Lord's promise (Gen. 3:20, 4:1) expressed their faith in the true seed which the Lord had just mentioned, especially when the whole of the first several chapters of Genesis is so focused upon the promise of this seed?Adam is not listed in Hebrews Chapter 11
Whence do you derive your confidence that he merely acknowledged physical lineage?Acknowledgement of physical lineage, is not necessarily the acknowledgment of spiritual lineage.
He was not the Savior she hoped for in faith, but he was indeed the first of the Godly lineage who would produce the promised "Seed."
If you have acknowledged here that Eve had faith in the promise of the seed, would not she then be the first faithful, and not Abel?
Which is simply an assertion. It requires demonstration.My point is Eve is named as the the mother of all physical mankind.
Yes, there is contextual reason. The naming of Eve, being a part of the curse/promise narrative, is intimately connected with the proceeding promise of the seed who was to come from her, who would reverse the curse and, by implication, bring in life. Adam has just been told that he will return to dust, and yet through the conquering seed yet live. There is a clear reason to separate the seed of the woman (which is to have true life), from the seed of the serpent (which shall not), which is established immediately prior to the naming of Eve. The subsequent Genesis narratives (for instance, Lamech's naming of Noah, or the explanation of the promise to Abraham) demonstrate how the promise was understood. It is fitting that Adam's pronouncement be understood in this light.Is there reason to believe that Adam named Eve as the mother of only those who will know spiritual life?
My point is Eve is named as the the mother of all physical mankind.Which is simply an assertion. It requires demonstration.
Eve is not the mother of all humanity?
Adam has just been told that he will return to dust, and yet through the conquering seed yet live.
I think we should bow before a much greater and more sublime mystery which is contained in these words: that from Eve, or from the very woman who was deceived, shall come the promised seed, even as he came into the world very clearly and plainly by a woman who had known no man.
Originally Posted by TeachingTulip
Dear friend,
What exact Scripture do you refer to, here?
Amen.Eve was promised a faithful seed who would crush the head of the devil, which was the first gospel promise of grace from God.
Nor have I ever so claimed. I did, however, point out the scriptural parallel between the two, evident to us know who can consider the harmonious whole of scripture. It might be worth pointing out, however, that several of our most honored Reformed exegetes do see Adam and Eve understanding the virgin birth from this first promise.There was nothing mentioned to Eve about the seed being produced by a virgin. Those revelations came later.
Again, Amen. Eve believed the promise. We have here all the elements of the glorious gospel of God -- the promised Christ who will reverse the curse and bring in the blessing of God; the belief of this promise; and the walking according to its rule, or teaching our house in the things of God.Eve simply believed that one of her male offspring would reverse the curse of sin. And she apparently taught her children of this promise, which one of the first sons (Abel) believed according to personal faith, and evidenced by his practice of right worship.
we have a distinct division of two classes of people in Gen. 6 -- the sons of God and the daughters (sons) of men (see 1 John 3). It is worth noting that, when the ungodly line (the sons of men, or the seed of the serpent/devil) is delineated, it begins not with Adam, but with Cain;
when the "sons of God" are listed, it begins not with Seth, but Adam.
we have a distinct division of two classes of people in Gen. 6 -- the sons of God and the daughters (sons) of men (see 1 John 3). It is worth noting that, when the ungodly line (the sons of men, or the seed of the serpent/devil) is delineated, it begins not with Adam, but with Cain;
I would dispute this on the basis of the teachings of Romans 5:12.
All humans are the sons of man; Adam; imputed with his sin.
when the "sons of God" are listed, it begins not with Seth, but Adam.
Only those gifted with faith in the promised Son of God (the last "Adam") are listed as the faithful.
My argument being, spiritual anti-thesis between the first Adam as federal head of all sinful mankind and the last Adam (Jesus Christ) as federal head of all the faithful elect of God, MUST be maintained.
most Reformed exegetes (who developed the idea of the two federal heads) understood the naming of Eve to be a token of Adam's faith.
Not in anyway! Such would not even make logical sense, for how can faith precede the promise upon which it rests? God promised grace through the Seed; Adam believed and rested upon the given promise. So to ask "what evidence of Adamic faith is exhibited prior to God freely bestowing his promise" is not a right question -- for there could certainly be no faith prior thereunto.Originally Posted by TeachingTulip
Plus, does not such interpretation make the promise of grace to Eve to be a reward of Adam's faith, somehow?
Not in anyway! Such would not even make logical sense, for how can faith precede the promise upon which it rests?Originally Posted by TeachingTulip
Plus, does not such interpretation make the promise of grace to Eve to be a reward of Adam's faith, somehow?
God promised grace through the Seed;
Adam believed and rested upon the given promise.
That's absolutely right! It was promised to the seed of the woman, not the seed of the man; for Christ is not the seed of Adam, but of Eve. But all who believe in Christ are members of his body, and are mystically that seed, being included in Him their head, for all who are baptized [believe] into Christ have put on Christ. There is nothing which in anyway prevents Adam from, spiritually, being considered a member of the seed of the woman.God promised grace through the Seed;
My sticking point, is that the promise was given specifically to Eve and to her seed; not to Adam's seed, per se.
Adam believed and rested upon the given promise.
There is no Scripture that says so, or gives Adam credit for exhibiting such faith.
Adam is only held accountable for bringing death and sin upon the human race. Romans 5:12
Also note that Adam's sons knew how to give proper sacrifice to the Lord (though Cain transgressed this), and perhaps learned this sacrificial system from their father.
I am reading a booklet on the Trinity and in it, the author makes the statement "...after Adam repented.."
Was Adam granted repentance as we know it? Interesting.
Also note that Adam's sons knew how to give proper sacrifice to the Lord (though Cain transgressed this), and perhaps learned this sacrificial system from their father.
Hmmmm. I am not all sure we know that. Heb. 11:4 attributes the superiority of Abel's offering to his faith, not the offering itself.
In any even, regardless of whether Adam repented, my hope is in the Second Adam.
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TT, I would add that the seed of the Woman was a spiritual, not physical lineage. Adam could have been of the seed of the Woman, though not descended from her. For that matter, Adam could be in Christ and not in Adam!
Either way, it is significant to me that God clothes both Adam and Eve at the end of chapter 3, in effect antoning for their sins with the blood on an innocent animal.
It's hard to exhibit faith when you're offering the wrong stuff.
It was mentioned in Genesis that their offerings differed as to the substance, I think this was mentioned for a reason.
If Adam did have repentance and saving faith, would that make any difference toi the vital distinction between being "in Adam" or "in Christ"?
I'm not making a point, just asking, because I don't see clearly.
It rather makes the idea of being in Adam seem less calamitous!
Also note that Adam's sons knew how to give proper sacrifice to the Lord (though Cain transgressed this), and perhaps learned this sacrificial system from their father.
Hmmmm. I am not all sure we know that. Heb. 11:4 attributes the superiority of Abel's offering to his faith, not the offering itself.
In any even, regardless of whether Adam repented, my hope is in the Second Adam.
TT, I would add that the seed of the Woman was a spiritual, not physical lineage. Adam could have been of the seed of the Woman, though not descended from her. For that matter, Adam could be in Christ and not in Adam!
Either way, it is significant to me that God clothes both Adam and Eve at the end of chapter 3, in effect antoning for their sins with the blood on an innocent animal.
I am reading a booklet on the Trinity and in it, the author makes the statement "...after Adam repented.."
Was Adam granted repentance as we know it? Interesting.
TeachingTulip;700973 Eve is the mother of all the human race; the spiritual Seed promised her was the Christ. The latter part of your statement does not compute with me . . . sorry. :)[/QUOTE said:The promise of Gen. 3:15 has more than one reference. I believe it points to all of the righteous, but ultimately points to Christ.