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The phrase "God the Son" is not used in Scripture if that is what you are asking. Referring to Jesus as God the Son in theological discourse is common.Know that Jesus is called Son of God, but is God the Son ever used?
He was, is, and always will be God the Son. He that was born Jesus was not an independent human being, as if what was assumed by the Second Person of the Trinity was an actual person.And before Jesus was Born, He was just God the Son correct, as his humanity was when born as Jesus?
was just asking if before he was born as Jesus, that he existed as the Word, as God the Son, and became Son of God when he assumed on human flesh, as the humanity of him historical started at his conception by the Holy Spirit?PS I am not saying that he is not fully God and fully man, God In the Flesh I am just talking about the fact that you're looking for certain wording and maybe it's just semantics for what you are asking about
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David,was just asking if before he was born as Jesus, that he existed as the Word, as God the Son, and became Son of God when he assumed on human flesh, as the humanity of him historical started at his conception by the Holy Spirit?
I think that the Son is eternal, as He has always been begotten of/by the Father, but that He assumed and took on Humanity when born as Jesus, so before that Incarnation, he was just God the Son...David,
What exactly do you see as distinctions between God the Son and Son of God? You seem to be implying that upon assumption of human flesh a paternal event occurred. What then of the eternal generation of the Son?
Jesus in regards to His humanity did not exist til conceived by the Holy spirit, correct? So IF the Second person of the trinity came to earth in say OT, was not Jesus, bit God the Son at that point in time?Asserting 'God the Son' is a very specific way of predicating divine properties to Jesus while avoiding confusion. It allows us to make the difference between 'merely human' and 'fully human.' Logos's assumption of essential human properties made him fully human, but not merely human.
Also, asserting 'God the Son' avoids the confusion that people sometimes think that if Father is God, HS is God, and Jesus is God, how are there not three gods? Saying God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit avoids a lot of that confusion while keeping the main idea.
Thomas McCall's book Introduction to Christian Analytic Philosophy is really good on this point.
Jesus in regards to His humanity did not exist til conceived by the Holy spirit, correct? So IF the Second person of the trinity came to earth in say OT, was not Jesus, bit God the Son at that point in time?
So would that mean Jesus has 2 Natures/Wills then? And while here on earth, as per the kenosis theory, just what did he divest Himself of?Right. Jesus' human nature is anhypostatic. As to the scond question, He wasn't revealed as "Jesus" then, but it wasn't a different Person.
So would that mean Jesus has 2 Natures/Wills then? And while here on earth, as per the kenosis theory, just what did he divest Himself of?
This is a really good explanation thank you that does make sense now or I mean I see the differenceAsserting 'God the Son' is a very specific way of predicating divine properties to Jesus while avoiding confusion. It allows us to make the difference between 'merely human' and 'fully human.' Logos's assumption of essential human properties made him fully human, but not merely human.
Also, asserting 'God the Son' avoids the confusion that people sometimes think that if Father is God, HS is God, and Jesus is God, how are there not three gods? Saying God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit avoids a lot of that confusion while keeping the main idea.
Thomas McCall's book Introduction to Christian Analytic Philosophy is really good on this point.
Can you explain this statement related to divestiture of omnipresence? Are you implying that while Our Lord walked among us the Second Person of the Trinity was geographically confined to various locales within Israel?Jesus has two natures/wills right now, if that is what you are asking. As per kenosis, he divested himself of things like omnipresence
That was some of the limitations that he agreed to in the Incarnation, as he was then localized in just His body, correct? That is why better for Him to ascend again, as the Spirit could be everywhere, while he could not in that body while on the earth?Can you explain this statement related to divestiture of omnipresence? Are you implying that while Our Lord walked among us the Second Person of the Trinity was geographically confined to various locales within Israel?
Can you explain this statement related to divestiture of omnipresence? Are you implying that while Our Lord walked among us the Second Person of the Trinity was geographically confined to various locales within Israel?
So he was then stuck in a single location at a time while here on earth. correct?I meant his flesh wasn't omnipresent. Sorry.
His human nature has the properties of "being human," which means spatial extension. And that means not two or three Jesuses wandering around Palestine.So he was then stuck in a single location at a time while here on earth. correct?
But after His ascension, now fully back to no longer bound to being just single place, as he is now everywhere again?His human nature has the properties of "being human," which means spatial extension. And that means not two or three Jesuses wandering around Palestine.
Our Lord's physical, and now glorified body was and is now always spacially constrained.But after His ascension, now fully back to no longer bound to being just single place, as he is now everywhere again?
But after His ascension, now fully back to no longer bound to being just single place, as he is now everywhere again?
He would not be able to be elsewhere then? Is that a permanent self imposed limitation than?Our Lord's physical, and now glorified body was and is now always spacially constrained.
He would not be able to be elsewhere then? Is that a permanent self imposed limitation than?