Phil D.
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Reformed Arsenal posted a short response to the video in the OP.
Doug Wilson - Trinitarianism in Trouble
Doug Wilson - Trinitarianism in Trouble
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How did the Trinity decide who was going to perform the respective roles of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit after creation unless they had some form of relation before creation? Did they just flip a coin? I don't mean this to be flippant, but if you're going to insist there is absolutely no difference among them in eternity, you need to be able to explain this. Until then, I'd rather err on the side of what the Bible tells us to believe about them than on the side of what Thomas says to believe about them.Reformed Arsenal posted a short response to the video in the OP.
Doug Wilson - Trinitarianism in Trouble
but if you're going to insist there is absolutely no difference among them in eternity
Until then, I'd rather err on the side of what the Bible tells us to believe about them than on the side of what Thomas says to believe about them.
The problem is that the categories Wilson is blurring are just short of a millennium before ThomasI'd rather err on the side of what the Bible tells us to believe about them than on the side of what Thomas says to believe about them.
So are you invoking the ghost of Von Harnack here? I believe his whole Greek metaphysics corrupting the church has been readily dismantled. But if you want to defend that thesis go ahead. But you must be able to show where and how the corruption started, even if slowly creeping in. Did it happen at Nicea or earlier perhaps?I just want to know why we should be giving priority to Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas re: the doctrine of God rather than consulting what the Bible says about how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work together. Oddly enough, Wilson's description of the Son as what the Father speaks sounds remarkably similar to that small part of Greek philosophy specifically appropriated by John to call Jesus logos or the "organizing principle."
I struggled with that until I realized that I can “make a covenant” with myself too. That, and scripture teaches it.I will admit there is some tension between one will in the Trinity--which is a non-negotiable--and how to understand the Pactum Salutis.
I think the East actually departed from orthodoxy on this point. My take on the history is that the West clarified orthodoxy and the East diverged and solidified around an unorthodox understanding sparked by political frustrations.But even EO trinitarianiam advocates for a monarchical professionalism that sees the Father on top. That there are clear differences between Western and Eastern trinitarian formulations proves that there are multiple ways to understand the Trinity and yet remain within creedal orthodoxy