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ReformedWretch
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It will be "saved" 1 John 2:2
It will also support trees with good fruit. I expect the vineyards to be fungus-free.
The earth will be destroyed by the Vogons to make room for an inter-galactic super-highway. Arthur Dent and Trillian will be the only earthlings to excape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy
Joseph Ringling
Puritan Board Freshman
144,000 will be in heaven, a great multitude will remain on earth.:bigsmile:
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
After the ushering in of Eternity, there will be one Kingdom. The elect Angels and the elect Mankind, will both be immortal and not subjected to death, and they will be in the immediate presence of God.
Physicality and locations are troublesome on this topic. To say that there will be an earth, and a heaven, where God's immediate presence resides in heaven, is pure irresponsible conjecture.
The Book of Revelation gives the image that all the elect will be around the throne of God giving Him praise waving palms.
It is pure sensational fantasy to believe that there will be "earthly men and Jews living on earth", whilst gentile believers live in heavenly Jerusalem, and angels live in heaven. I heard J. Vernon McGee give such an explanation on his "Through the Bible". It got even more ridiculous when he said that the heavenly Jerusalem will be hovering over the earth like a planet, where we will be commuting to and fro.
Other people took it further in that they calculated the volume of the Heavenly Jerusalem as found in Revelation (which is nothing more than an imagery of the glorified church) and divided it by average mass of a person, to deduce the maximum number of people that can fit into the heavenly Jerusalem.
Physicality and locations are troublesome on this topic. To say that there will be an earth, and a heaven, where God's immediate presence resides in heaven, is pure irresponsible conjecture.
The Book of Revelation gives the image that all the elect will be around the throne of God giving Him praise waving palms.
It is pure sensational fantasy to believe that there will be "earthly men and Jews living on earth", whilst gentile believers live in heavenly Jerusalem, and angels live in heaven. I heard J. Vernon McGee give such an explanation on his "Through the Bible". It got even more ridiculous when he said that the heavenly Jerusalem will be hovering over the earth like a planet, where we will be commuting to and fro.
Other people took it further in that they calculated the volume of the Heavenly Jerusalem as found in Revelation (which is nothing more than an imagery of the glorified church) and divided it by average mass of a person, to deduce the maximum number of people that can fit into the heavenly Jerusalem.
Scott
Puritan Board Graduate
Both Calvin and Matthew Henry agree that the physical earth will be renewed. Will it be inhabited? If not, to what purpose is the renewal of the earth?
Seems to me that it would make sense for the new earth to be a restoration of the original design of Eden, in which man was to exercise control over the creation. The original design had men multipying and exercising dominion in harmony with God. God was present in a direct way, as He walked through the Garden. It would seem strange for God to have everyone remain in only heaven forever and to abandon creation (the earth at least), especially if it is renewed.
Anyway, Calvin was very sketchy on the whole matter and was very reluctant to say much other than that the earth would be renewed and not destroyed.
Seems to me that it would make sense for the new earth to be a restoration of the original design of Eden, in which man was to exercise control over the creation. The original design had men multipying and exercising dominion in harmony with God. God was present in a direct way, as He walked through the Garden. It would seem strange for God to have everyone remain in only heaven forever and to abandon creation (the earth at least), especially if it is renewed.
Anyway, Calvin was very sketchy on the whole matter and was very reluctant to say much other than that the earth would be renewed and not destroyed.
My fundamentalist bent is probably showing, but it seems pretty solid to me:
River of life bright as crystal, in the midst of the street,. . . tree of life with 12 fruits, bearing every month; leaves for healing of nations; no curse; they shall see his face; no need for lamps or sun because of God's light; etc. Not to mention the description of Jerusalem descending. But I'm not going to trash anyone who wants to spirtualize these things.
I'll just beg to differ.
Vic
River of life bright as crystal, in the midst of the street,. . . tree of life with 12 fruits, bearing every month; leaves for healing of nations; no curse; they shall see his face; no need for lamps or sun because of God's light; etc. Not to mention the description of Jerusalem descending. But I'm not going to trash anyone who wants to spirtualize these things.
I'll just beg to differ.
Vic
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
Jesus is the Tree of Life, the River of life, the Ladder, the Bread of Life. etc The fact that the people are dependent upon the Tree of life for their lives in revelation makes this pretty clear, in addition with the River of Life. Its figurative.
The fact is that the New Jerusalem as found in the 21st chapter of Revelation is simply an image of the glorified church. Clues that give you this is the gates being of the 12 Apostles, and 12 tribes. Fact is, God established the 12 tribes of Israel to bring the Messiah through, and it was the 12 Apostles that carried the word of God to the world. The foundation of the Church is basically the 12 Apostles from the New Testament, and the prophets of the Old Testament that generally descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. To become a Believer one has to believe the word that was preached by the prophets and the Apostles.
The New Jerusalem as shown in Rev 21, shows the church in its final glorified state. City of God.
[Edited on 1-27-2006 by Slippery]
The fact is that the New Jerusalem as found in the 21st chapter of Revelation is simply an image of the glorified church. Clues that give you this is the gates being of the 12 Apostles, and 12 tribes. Fact is, God established the 12 tribes of Israel to bring the Messiah through, and it was the 12 Apostles that carried the word of God to the world. The foundation of the Church is basically the 12 Apostles from the New Testament, and the prophets of the Old Testament that generally descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. To become a Believer one has to believe the word that was preached by the prophets and the Apostles.
The New Jerusalem as shown in Rev 21, shows the church in its final glorified state. City of God.
[Edited on 1-27-2006 by Slippery]
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
Our bodies are to be made unto Christ's. This mortal will put on immortality.
Because of this, our bodies wouldn't be dependent on food, oxygen, alcohol and television for survival. We will not procreate, we will be like the angels.
If God wants to renew the earth, it will be totally for His own honor and glory, that being said, the survival of the saints wouldn't be contingent upon there being an earth.
[Edited on 1-28-2006 by Slippery]
Puritanhead
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Bladestunner316
Puritan Board Doctor
Puritanhead
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Puritanhead
Puritan Board Professor
Oh--- after the Second Advent... I strike that 
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Bladestunner316
Puritan Board Doctor
Scott
Puritan Board Graduate
"2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
After this there will be a new heavens and a new earth. It is this new earth I am talking about.
After this there will be a new heavens and a new earth. It is this new earth I am talking about.
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
but even if he didn't eat, he wouldn't have starved.
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
1. Because He is God.
2. The resurrected Body is Immortal. (He wasn't gasping for oxygen when he ascended into heaven, nor did he wear a coat. He also walked through walls etc)
3. The very essence of "Eternal Life", is not found in the sustenance provided by bread, but by "Every word that comes from the mouth of God".
Scott
Puritan Board Graduate
Christ is also fully man. Humans eat, as did Christ.
His resurrected body is immortal. God can and does works throught secondary means, so immortality could mean simply always having a proper supply of food. So, an abundance of food could be God's way of effecting immortality.
Being fed on the Word does not feed the body. Both are needed.
Anyway, the actual state of affairs seems rather speculative to me. It does not seem reasonable to suggest that someone in a resurrected body could go forever without eating. This is especially true since Christ actually ate. We associate eating today with sustenance. Eating for reasons other than sustenance could arguably be sinful indulgence of the flesh (note I said arguable, as Puritans often treated the matter this way).
His resurrected body is immortal. God can and does works throught secondary means, so immortality could mean simply always having a proper supply of food. So, an abundance of food could be God's way of effecting immortality.
Being fed on the Word does not feed the body. Both are needed.
Anyway, the actual state of affairs seems rather speculative to me. It does not seem reasonable to suggest that someone in a resurrected body could go forever without eating. This is especially true since Christ actually ate. We associate eating today with sustenance. Eating for reasons other than sustenance could arguably be sinful indulgence of the flesh (note I said arguable, as Puritans often treated the matter this way).
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
1. Food in the Bible is not merely for sustenance. Food carries the connotation of fellowship, bonding and togetherness. "Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Whenever the marriage supper or eating is spoken of in heaven it is with the explicit view in mind of fellowshipping with God and other believers, not necessarily eat 3 square meals a day to get a proper supply of protein, iron, carbs and vitamins.
This is why the saying, "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God", is relevant because while food sustains life, it comes from God, who ordained it to sustain life, and not of itself.
Our presently earthly nature is below that of our glorified nature. Our present earthly nature has been ordained as such to find its sustenance by oxygen, food, marriage and shelter. Our glorified nature will be like unto angels, but while human it will ultimately be spiritual.
As for the Puritans, I disagree with that. God has bless things in that while they provided necessary services, they also provide honor. This comes out in the clothing we wear. While clothes is to cover nakedness and protect us from the elements, they also reveal honor i.e the soldier, the King, the Diplomat etc. When we go to church we dress differently than when we go to a party. The same it is with food. What we eat for lunch during the week is usually of lesser honor than what we eat during thanksgiving, Christmas or on weekends.
This is why the saying, "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God", is relevant because while food sustains life, it comes from God, who ordained it to sustain life, and not of itself.
Our presently earthly nature is below that of our glorified nature. Our present earthly nature has been ordained as such to find its sustenance by oxygen, food, marriage and shelter. Our glorified nature will be like unto angels, but while human it will ultimately be spiritual.
As for the Puritans, I disagree with that. God has bless things in that while they provided necessary services, they also provide honor. This comes out in the clothing we wear. While clothes is to cover nakedness and protect us from the elements, they also reveal honor i.e the soldier, the King, the Diplomat etc. When we go to church we dress differently than when we go to a party. The same it is with food. What we eat for lunch during the week is usually of lesser honor than what we eat during thanksgiving, Christmas or on weekends.
Mr Peabody
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ASV Philippians 1:23 But I am in a strait betwixt the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ; for it is very far better:
ASV 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;
ASV 1 Thessalonians 4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I always thought the dispensational perspective that we would have authority over cities in the millennium (Luke 19:17) was a big gyp. I wanted to be with Jesus.
And when the JWs would come over and covet our little farm, and remark that I could have it forever, I knew something was wrong.
I'm not against having a nice view. (Do we get beach property?) but I think the best view would have to be the face of Jesus.
ASV 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;
ASV 1 Thessalonians 4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I always thought the dispensational perspective that we would have authority over cities in the millennium (Luke 19:17) was a big gyp. I wanted to be with Jesus.
And when the JWs would come over and covet our little farm, and remark that I could have it forever, I knew something was wrong.
I'm not against having a nice view. (Do we get beach property?) but I think the best view would have to be the face of Jesus.
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