Finney - Still a major influence...

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Most things that casued me to leave the SBC Church I grew up in, I know now to be "Finneyism." Its very sad what it has done to some good churches.
 
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From the article in the OP:

"The view that faith is the sole condition of justification is "the antinomian view," Finney asserts. "We shall see that perseverance in obedience to the end of life is also a condition of justification." Furthermore, "present sanctification, in the sense of present full consecration to God, is another condition...of justification. Some theologians have made justification a condition of sanctification, instead of making sanctification a condition of justification." - Finney Quote

This is one part of his influence that I see so prevalent today.

Blessings!
 
There used to be, about 17 years ago when I was a member of a SBC congregation, a course offered called "Decision Time". It was all about how to steer people and counsel them during "altar calls".
 
There used to be, about 17 years ago when I was a member of a SBC congregation, a course offered called "Decision Time". It was all about how to steer people and counsel them during "altar calls".

Rich,

That harkens back to my days at the Word of Life Bible Institute. Two people hanging out in the dining all was warrant for an altar call.
 
There used to be, about 17 years ago when I was a member of a SBC congregation, a course offered called "Decision Time". It was all about how to steer people and counsel them during "altar calls".

Rich,

That harkens back to my days at the Word of Life Bible Institute. Two people hanging out in the dining all was warrant for an altar call.

Yes, "The Island" during the summer and Snow Camp got many teary eyed teens "going forward". One boy, in our congregation, was saved three times :think: .
 
It's interesting how much of the Baptist Community remain attached to his theology, yet Finney was a licenced Presbyterian. Do the Presbyterian Churches still emit his influence as much as the Baptists do? Perhaps it's just more visible in the evangelistic types of activity than it is in the underlying doctrine that may trickle from the pulpits.
 
I knew something was "off" as a teenager when I saw 2 folks get baptised 5 times between them over a several year period, because they were "not really saved" the first couple of times. I kept wondering, "who is responsible for determining if the confession of faith is valid, or is walking the aisle all it takes?" If they were not "really saved" the first time, or the second time, how does anyone know they are "really saved" now? I was really troubled by this in my college years, and it precipitated (along with my dismay at the things I experienced at a community "Freddie Gauge Crusade") my eventually becoming a Presbyterian.
 
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The view that faith is the sole condition of justification is "the antinomian view," Finney asserts. "We shall see that perseverance in obedience to the end of life is also a condition of justification." Furthermore, "present sanctification, in the sense of present full consecration to God, is another condition...of justification

If Finney died holding to this view of justification, and hence denied sola fide, can he have died a justified man?
 
As usual, it was spot on. However, in this thread, the emphasis has been on some of the justification implications. I hear the echo of Finney in just about everything broad evangelicalism does because it "works." As Finney put it: results in evangelism are "purely [the] . . . result of the right use of the constituted means."

Look at the fads that have captured the evangelical mind during the last fifty years. They all share one thing in common: a belief that if you simply "use" the right method, formula, or gimmick, then you will be "successful."
 
Sproul has said that he questions whether or not Finney was truly converted. Phil Johnson calls him a heretic. In all honesty, it's hard not to come to this conclusion.

What's sad is that, unless you study his systematic theology, you don't immediately see this. I've read several of Finney's sermons, mostly in my young Assembly of God days, and at first was set aflame by what was written. On the surface, Finney in general sounds like the average preacher-bringing the listener to an awareness of his own sinful state, calling upon the listener to repent and turn to God, etc. I thought at first I was just reading a really good and passionate preacher.

Then I picked up a copy of John MacArthur's excellent book Ashamed of the Gospel, and to my initial shock and dismay, MacArthur had an entire Appendix devoted to criticizing Finney. At first, I thought MacArthur had flipped his lid (keep in mind that this is me pre-Calvinism). But after reading more and more reading of the evaluations of Finney, and finally after reading Finney's own denouncement of Original sin and the substitutionary atonement, I had to come to the conclusion that MacArthur and others were right.

It's one of the reasons why I'm pretty hostile to the altar call approach, and looking back on my own life, I see how bad and misleading it could be. But try to reason with somebody who has grown up on the invitation system, and if you challenge it, they treat you as if you'd just espoused atheism!

We'll be coming to Finney soon in my church history class, and it'll be interesting to see how the class takes it when I lay out the genesis of and motivation for the altar call.
 
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