George Washington's Sacred Fire

[Pilgrim]

George Washington\'s Sacred Fire

George Washington's Sacred Fire, wherein it is argued that Washington was a Christian, and not a deist as is commonly thought. Also, see this Human Events article reporting a speech Wed. by the book's author, Dr. Peter Lillback.

[Edited on 6-17-2006 by Pilgrim]

[Edited on 6-18-2006 by Pilgrim]

 

[Puritanhead]

Chis, even by implying that America's Patriarch George Washington is not a Christian, but rather a deist, you're undermining morale in the war on terrorism and dampening the ardor of American patriotism, thereby threatening our vital national security interests, which in turn undermines national unity and resolve, thereby butressing Al-Qaeda's success at future terrorism, and gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

 

[Puritanhead]

Wait a minute... that article implies Washington is a Christian... Oh Never Mind!!

 

[Pilgrim]

Originally posted by Puritanhead
Wait a minute... that article implies Washington is a Christian... Oh Never Mind!!

You been hitting the Samuel Adams again?

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

Washington was a Deistic Freemason. See this thread, this thread, and this book.

 

[Puritanhead]

Originally posted by VirginiaHuguenot
Washington was a Deistic Freemason. See this thread, this thread, and this book.

Hmmmmmm.... I was right to post that... I just posted it to soon.

Andrew, even by implying that America's Patriarch George Washington is not a Christian, but rather a deist, you're undermining morale in the war on terrorism and dampening the ardor of American patriotism, thereby threatening our vital national security interests, which in turn undermines national unity and resolve, thereby butressing Al-Qaeda's success at future terrorism, and gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

 

[Puritanhead]

It read so much better Andrew when you spend $20 on it, and you can feel the tangible pages, which in turn give you a papercut...

Six Historic Americans: Were They Christians?

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

 

[Contra_Mundum]

Ryan,
By beating the same drum in every single thread, you are giving...

everyone a case of indigestion = Please contain yourself!


{sheeeeesh, make me a grump, whydoncha. }

[Edited on 6-18-2006 by Contra_Mundum]

 

[Pilgrim]

Originally posted by Puritanhead
It read so much better Andrew when you spend $20 on it, and you can feel the tangible pages, which in turn give you a papercut...

Six Historic Americans: Were They Christians?

Remsburg was a "free thinker" and had an agenda to show that the founders and prominent Americans were not Christians. That doesn't discount his research and conclusions, but it should be borne in mind.

 

[Puritanhead]

That's why I am a fence sitter for the moment about the first Prez... though, I'm already apt to concede Jefferson, Lincoln, Paine, and even Franklin were infidels. GW is an open book. I wouldn't mind reading Washington's God and some other books.

[Edited on 6-18-2006 by Puritanhead]

 

[Pilgrim]

Originally posted by VirginiaHuguenot
Washington was a Deistic Freemason. See this thread, this thread, and this book.

Judging from a radio interview I heard today Lillback (Pres of WTS, btw) focuses on Washington's writings and says when Washington mentions deism, it's never in a positive light and often negative.

Whether he was a Christian or not, I would submit to you that he (and other founders Rensberg mentions as being infidels, like G. Morris) had a greater understanding of Christianity and more of a Biblical view of mankind than do the vast majority of evangelicals today, and this probably includes the current occupant of the White House, who seems to think man is basically good.

 

[Pilgrim]

Mods: Given its direction, perhaps this discussion should be moved to the Politics forum?

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

Originally posted by Pilgrim

Originally posted by Puritanhead
It read so much better Andrew when you spend $20 on it, and you can feel the tangible pages, which in turn give you a papercut...

Six Historic Americans: Were They Christians?

Remsburg was a "free thinker" and had an agenda to show that the founders and prominent Americans were not Christians. That doesn't discount his research and conclusions, but it should be borne in mind.

The "Christian America" agenda is just as revisionist as the secular humanist agenda. Remsburg's sources, however, are extremely well documented. They include a prominent and well respected Presbyterian minister, Ashbel Green, and Protestant Episcopal ministers, James White and James Abercrombie, all of whom testified to Washington's apparent unbelief.

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

Originally posted by Pilgrim

Originally posted by VirginiaHuguenot
Washington was a Deistic Freemason. See this thread, this thread, and this book.

Judging from a radio interview I heard today Lillback (Pres of WTS, btw) focuses on Washington's writings and says when Washington mentions deism, it's never in a positive light and often negative.

Whether he was a Christian or not, I would submit to you that he (and other founders Rensberg mentions as being infidels, like G. Morris) had a greater understanding of Christianity and more of a Biblical view of mankind than do the vast majority of evangelicals today, and this probably includes the current occupant of the White House, who seems to think man is basically good.

Gary North has written extensively on the evidence for Washington's active involvement in Freemasonry (see Political Polytheism). [I am not a fan of Gary North, as some know, but I respect his historical studies.] Every day I go by the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, VA. That he was a mason is well documented from all sorts of historical sources.

I think George Washington was just as much of a slick politician as those who have occupied the White House and claimed the mantle of Christianity in the last decade, both Democratic and Republican. I don't claim to know what was in his heart, but it is common knowledge that he excommunicated himself from the Anglican Church, ie., refused to partake of communion. Those who claim him as a Christian leader I think are doing so based on wishful thinking and mythology that Washington himself perpetuated, such as his story that "Divine Providence" (a Biblical term in the right context but also a very Masonic term) kept him from being hit by Indian bullets to spare him that he might become an American Moses. He was a spiritual man, yes, (like Jefferson and certain other founders whom those in the modern Christian American movement like David Barton, John Eidsmoe and D. James Kennedy, et al. would like to gloss over their clear unbelief), but a Deistic Freemason.

Jefferson was a Deist, but understood something of the depravity of man as seen in his writings about how the Constitution was meant to bind men from mischief. (That the Founders drank deeply from the Christian influences around them does not take away from the fact that they also drank deeply from the Enlightenment influences which permeated their elite circles.)

What does this say about the spiritual and historical discernment of those evangelical Christian America revisionists who claim him as a Christian?

See this site for more info.

[Edited on 6-18-2006 by VirginiaHuguenot]

 

[Pilgrim]

Was George Washington a Christian?

 

[ChristianTrader]

Has anyone here actually read Lilliback's George Washington's Sacred Fire? For it seems as if he is being dismissed out of hand as if people had a dog in this fight? What is lost if it was shown that George Washington was a Christian?

If someone has read this book, fine but if not, the rhetoric is just a bit much.

CT

 

[Pilgrim]

Originally posted by ChristianTrader
Has anyone here actually read Lilliback's George Washington's Sacred Fire? For it seems as if he is being dismissed out of hand as if people had a dog in this fight? What is lost if it was shown that George Washington was a Christian?

If someone has read this book, fine but if not, the rhetoric is just a bit much.

CT

I have not and have asked on another list if someone has read it, specifically to find out how he deals with the clear reports of Washington excommunicating himself. There are no reviews on Amazon, and the only mentions I've seen of it have been on various political sites and programs.

The rhetoric is due to the "Christian America" revisionists who try to claim basically all the founders as being Christian simply because they paid lip service to religion. It's an overreaction to the ACLU and others, and is just about as accurate in many cases.